Aggressive eel
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dme
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Jewel Moray and goldentail both would work, but the goldentail would work better in your case between the two for I not know a betta to grow as large as that and the jewel can possibly bite it causing death in any attempt it might want to feed. And you can pair off the goldentail.
There is a Brown moray that grows just over 3' and it primary diet is gastropods and small crabs and it generally not feed on fish.
A Geometric moray can also be considered as long tanks fish aren't too small such as your Betta.
Greyface moray is a good eel to have in pairs for as long the fish in your tank not small enough to fit into their jaws, they be safe enough.
Whiteface moray grows 30" and its primary food is crustaceans.
You said you a 300+gal tank, if only you have some other larger growing community fish species I would have an ideal large growing moray species that feeds mainly on larger crabs and would swallow whole fish if they can, but also this eel mucus is toxic and is one eel that people cannot eat for its poisonous.
The Abbott's moray eel can be another choice for it grows 2' and will feed on small fish.
The Pebbletooth moray also grows just over 3' and feeds mainly on crustaceans, small shrimps and crabs. Also be safe not to have so small fish, for one not can guarantee you if it cans wallow whole a small fish, it just may do so.
Your request for non fish eating morays is difficult :thinking:
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There is a Brown moray that grows just over 3' and it primary diet is gastropods and small crabs and it generally not feed on fish.
A Geometric moray can also be considered as long tanks fish aren't too small such as your Betta.
Greyface moray is a good eel to have in pairs for as long the fish in your tank not small enough to fit into their jaws, they be safe enough.
Whiteface moray grows 30" and its primary food is crustaceans.
You said you a 300+gal tank, if only you have some other larger growing community fish species I would have an ideal large growing moray species that feeds mainly on larger crabs and would swallow whole fish if they can, but also this eel mucus is toxic and is one eel that people cannot eat for its poisonous.
The Abbott's moray eel can be another choice for it grows 2' and will feed on small fish.
The Pebbletooth moray also grows just over 3' and feeds mainly on crustaceans, small shrimps and crabs. Also be safe not to have so small fish, for one not can guarantee you if it cans wallow whole a small fish, it just may do so.
Your request for non fish eating morays is difficult :thinking:
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boalgf
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Hey DME... You are awesome. That is a great list you've given me to work with.
I love the way the Abbot Moray and pebbletooth moray look. They are a really good size. The brown moray is also a good fit. Now finding a place that sells such unknown morays will be my only problem. lol
The Abbot moray seems pretty common, though I haven't located any sellers online. Here are some pics I've found of what it is supposed to look like, are they accurate? (Please say yes)
I love the way the Abbot Moray and pebbletooth moray look. They are a really good size. The brown moray is also a good fit. Now finding a place that sells such unknown morays will be my only problem. lol
The Abbot moray seems pretty common, though I haven't located any sellers online. Here are some pics I've found of what it is supposed to look like, are they accurate? (Please say yes)
dme
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I see that you live in Fayetteville NC. How long would it take you to drive to Raleigh? There is a store named Fish World, I am sure that from there I can assist you in getting one you need to get 440 and get off at Capital Blvd. I can talk to Jeff to get this eel, Only you must not take long after I tell you that he will have it.
According to wetwebmedia it is an easy fish to take care of.
According to who, eels are the most hardiest marine species you hobbyists can ever keep.
According to wetwebmedia it is an easy fish to take care of.
According to who, eels are the most hardiest marine species you hobbyists can ever keep.
dme
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You can call, forget it, you never get a hold of Jeff
I just called and spoke to Mike the manager and I ask him to have Jeff call me and leave me a message on the prices for the Abbot Moray and pebbletooth moray for I am not sure which it is that you would want. See, Jeff is hard to get like if you were trying to call the president himself. So do make a note that Jeff is slow on getting back to people, but your not really in so fire a hurry, are you?
dme
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Lets start looking at your preparations, Now you said this is a 300 gal +. How much LR you have? What type of filrtration system you have? You a cover on this tank? Sump? Skimmer and what type it is? how many power heads in this tank for its water currents and which model numbers they are? Can you upload a pic?
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boalgf
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Mind if I just email you? It'll make it easier. Or you can email me at jlopez23@nc.rr.com
dme
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We are talking about your aquarium system setup and filtration, I think it be best that if it can be spooking openly and in full view to others to see what any others might think with a difference of opinion and I feel secure or better yet, you should feel secured that you be getting the best suggestions that would fit to your ideas as well as your other aquarium inhabitants and please make a note that you may have to get the betta fish out.
Besides of what I am talking about, it is in the best interest for that we discuss this of your tank and aquarium species and that if some other members might have a different idea to what your doing or in the type of setup, etc.
Besides of what I am talking about, it is in the best interest for that we discuss this of your tank and aquarium species and that if some other members might have a different idea to what your doing or in the type of setup, etc.
boalgf
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DME, thanks again for the help. I don't mind discussing this here, I enjoy other peoples input (mostly). Getting on this site just to respond to the same person is more time consuming than email though.
I actually don't have any interest to discuss my filtration or tank, just the compatibility of the eels with my fish. I already have sufficient knowldge in the other areas. I couldn't find any adequate reading material that covers specific enough information to help me with the eels. Both my saltwater beginners book and my aggressive tank book only cover the basics.
My marine beta is 8 inches long, I wouldn't really consider that a small fish. He also has a wide girth. Since he is stationary so much, I suppose he'd be an easier target for an aggressive eel. Though I thought the abbot eel was more a crustacean eater? That's what fishbase says.
I actually don't have any interest to discuss my filtration or tank, just the compatibility of the eels with my fish. I already have sufficient knowldge in the other areas. I couldn't find any adequate reading material that covers specific enough information to help me with the eels. Both my saltwater beginners book and my aggressive tank book only cover the basics.
My marine beta is 8 inches long, I wouldn't really consider that a small fish. He also has a wide girth. Since he is stationary so much, I suppose he'd be an easier target for an aggressive eel. Though I thought the abbot eel was more a crustacean eater? That's what fishbase says.
dme
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I actually don't have any interest to discuss my filtration or tank
I only in that area liked to check out how well a filtration system you managed to put together for a 300 gal tank. Now I been in this hobby for so long and I will not tell you any fairy tales that I know it all and besides that, if anyone ever told you something as that you best not ever listen to anything they too say of you tanks or marine species.
Also what I was looking to see was how well off a filtration system you have for if it is that you not so well off a filtration method, later down the road to what `re it be a year or two, you could then have a serious situation with livestock dropping like flies or just as worse, a crash system.
Now in that area, I been extremely lucky in doing all the best things for when I use to do F/O tanks for some three years or more, I decided to cut out the F/O that I wanted only the eels and reef tanks for the remaining part of my life. But like I said I never had a tank that I had to clean it up because of ich for I QT all my fish, eels in that department in my personal views is not necessary to have to QT.
Also when one wants any moray, when this eel comes into the lfs and has came in the 24 to 30 hours time span one can and could take that eel home right then and there for the part that disrupts the eels from feeding is catch them again and bag them and this takes many eels longer to become settle and to begin feeding. And one needs to take then some three hours to make the eel ready for their tank by using a large bucket with an air line that is from the top (that is works like a Iv) the tank running slowly down into the bucket.
Always before taking home the eel, if they took two days or so to if you cannot tell how they appearance are that then leave them at the lfs for few days only for not bother to wait and see the eel feed for this can be either the same day or months later before it feeds but as soon any moray becomes accustom to their new surroundings, the sooner they might/should begin feeding.
OK, you not wish to discuss the whole thing of what I asked, then just tell me these things, If you a sump and what size it is? Skimmer and which model is it? How much LR you in the tank? How many power heads and which models you are using for your water currents? One thing on those few questions young man is there are many here that can tell you that their be always a difference of opinions to those questions for maybe you not enough water currents and the same with LR, or as so, you enough LR, but not enough water currents and if this be the case, you will in time start having problems with your tanks Ph.. For like in my DME 130 tank, I have five power heads for water currents in that tank.
I couldn't find any adequate reading material that covers specific enough information to help me with the eels. Both my saltwater beginners book and my aggressive tank book only cover the basics.
That is all anywhere you will find, is that any info you might find in books or the Internet will only cover basic info and in general they will mostly sound the same, do they not? For I a while a go readied an article that Scott Michael placed together from his trip to the Japans that for only three weeks study on dragon eels and he made his determination just on those few weeks of looking at them that they not ever hang in packs, that a person cannot house anymore then just a mated pair in tanks. He is wrong in his thinking for one cannot do just a few weeks of on looking and make a professional view upon it.
He also has a wide girth
This is what you said of the betta.
An eel jaws has a wide girth too, it be at your risk in leaving it in.
I only in that area liked to check out how well a filtration system you managed to put together for a 300 gal tank. Now I been in this hobby for so long and I will not tell you any fairy tales that I know it all and besides that, if anyone ever told you something as that you best not ever listen to anything they too say of you tanks or marine species.
Also what I was looking to see was how well off a filtration system you have for if it is that you not so well off a filtration method, later down the road to what `re it be a year or two, you could then have a serious situation with livestock dropping like flies or just as worse, a crash system.
Now in that area, I been extremely lucky in doing all the best things for when I use to do F/O tanks for some three years or more, I decided to cut out the F/O that I wanted only the eels and reef tanks for the remaining part of my life. But like I said I never had a tank that I had to clean it up because of ich for I QT all my fish, eels in that department in my personal views is not necessary to have to QT.
Also when one wants any moray, when this eel comes into the lfs and has came in the 24 to 30 hours time span one can and could take that eel home right then and there for the part that disrupts the eels from feeding is catch them again and bag them and this takes many eels longer to become settle and to begin feeding. And one needs to take then some three hours to make the eel ready for their tank by using a large bucket with an air line that is from the top (that is works like a Iv) the tank running slowly down into the bucket.
Always before taking home the eel, if they took two days or so to if you cannot tell how they appearance are that then leave them at the lfs for few days only for not bother to wait and see the eel feed for this can be either the same day or months later before it feeds but as soon any moray becomes accustom to their new surroundings, the sooner they might/should begin feeding.
OK, you not wish to discuss the whole thing of what I asked, then just tell me these things, If you a sump and what size it is? Skimmer and which model is it? How much LR you in the tank? How many power heads and which models you are using for your water currents? One thing on those few questions young man is there are many here that can tell you that their be always a difference of opinions to those questions for maybe you not enough water currents and the same with LR, or as so, you enough LR, but not enough water currents and if this be the case, you will in time start having problems with your tanks Ph.. For like in my DME 130 tank, I have five power heads for water currents in that tank.
I couldn't find any adequate reading material that covers specific enough information to help me with the eels. Both my saltwater beginners book and my aggressive tank book only cover the basics.
That is all anywhere you will find, is that any info you might find in books or the Internet will only cover basic info and in general they will mostly sound the same, do they not? For I a while a go readied an article that Scott Michael placed together from his trip to the Japans that for only three weeks study on dragon eels and he made his determination just on those few weeks of looking at them that they not ever hang in packs, that a person cannot house anymore then just a mated pair in tanks. He is wrong in his thinking for one cannot do just a few weeks of on looking and make a professional view upon it.
He also has a wide girth
This is what you said of the betta.
An eel jaws has a wide girth too, it be at your risk in leaving it in.
dme
Member
I thought the abbot eel was more a crustacean eater?
Not at all, they prey on both, small enough fish can become its victim and it was the Pebbletooth moray that they appear to say feeds mainly on crustaceans, small shrimps and young crabs for I said pretty much the same, just in slight different words for young crabs, I say small crabs as well soft shelled crabs and it is quite possible that if a fish is small enough to swallow whole, it might take that in as a meal and the Pebbletooth also grows considerable larger then the Abbott`s moray.
Getting on this site just to respond to the same person is more time consuming than email though
I wanted to get back to the start your post for, you as of right now, best take in what info you can from myself and others and it take much time before one should trust only one persons suggestions/opinions that if in some years later you trust whatever I too say, then I would consider in helping you through emailing. But as the saying goes, we just meet or short of chatted only here in just "ONE THREAD" so you need to check out what I tell you, move slowly in your decision making.
Now I am a terrible slow typist and all of above took me all morning to type out in word pad.
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Not at all, they prey on both, small enough fish can become its victim and it was the Pebbletooth moray that they appear to say feeds mainly on crustaceans, small shrimps and young crabs for I said pretty much the same, just in slight different words for young crabs, I say small crabs as well soft shelled crabs and it is quite possible that if a fish is small enough to swallow whole, it might take that in as a meal and the Pebbletooth also grows considerable larger then the Abbott`s moray.
Getting on this site just to respond to the same person is more time consuming than email though
I wanted to get back to the start your post for, you as of right now, best take in what info you can from myself and others and it take much time before one should trust only one persons suggestions/opinions that if in some years later you trust whatever I too say, then I would consider in helping you through emailing. But as the saying goes, we just meet or short of chatted only here in just "ONE THREAD" so you need to check out what I tell you, move slowly in your decision making.
Now I am a terrible slow typist and all of above took me all morning to type out in word pad.
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steelgluer
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how bout these
dme
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Those two eels be the Purplemouth moray and the Spotted moray, are they not? I wonder why I not put those two on your selection? :thinking: Now how you like your tanks fish? A live or dead? For with either those eels, those fish will be dead for as well to the type of fish you have there I keep the eel not to be of such a larger of the species for both those two grows to 4' and one those will grow just slightly larger.
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the_fish
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Originally Posted by DME
Those two eels be the Purplemouth moray and the Spotted moray, are they not? I wonder why I not put those two on your selection? :thinking: Now how you like your tanks fish? A live or dead? For with either those eels, those fish will be dead for as well to the type of fish you have there I keep the eel not to be of such a larger of the species for both those two grows to 4' and one those will grow just slightly larger.
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is it me or do you guys have a hard time understanding this?
Those two eels be the Purplemouth moray and the Spotted moray, are they not? I wonder why I not put those two on your selection? :thinking: Now how you like your tanks fish? A live or dead? For with either those eels, those fish will be dead for as well to the type of fish you have there I keep the eel not to be of such a larger of the species for both those two grows to 4' and one those will grow just slightly larger.
Dragon Moray Eels ><{{{{">
is it me or do you guys have a hard time understanding this?