rainbow grouper
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So whats happening heres a pic could it just be waxing.
Ahh chunks keep coming off of toadstool leather urgent possible emergency
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rainbow grouper
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yellow and mimic tang blue damsels talbot hermit crabs brittle star banded star coral goby watchman gobies pajama cardinal cleaner shrimps six line wrasse copepods scooter blenny no other inverts. could other corals cause this?
lol
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Looks to me like possible tissue necrosis. Has it been waxing for a prolonged period of time? It doesn't look like any of your livestock could have caused a problem.
"Leather Coral, Condition 1 may happen separately from or in conjunction with the regular surface-sloughing sessions seen in the genera Sinularia, Sarcophyton, Lobophytum, etc. Although many new hobbyists become needlessly worried when a leather coral begins a normal shedding period that makes it appear that the coral is dying, this condition is potentially a serious problem. The polyps and tissue of the coral stop expanding and turn a darker color. At some point, after a prolonged unexpanded state that may last several weeks, the tissue becomes cheesy and degenerates, rather than renewing. The coral exhibits local areas where holes and rotting tissue begin to appear on the capitulum or stalks, and these progress outward. This condition occasionally occurs in healthy, fully expanded corals, usually of the Sarcophyton genus.
Although the explanation in otherwise healthy specimens is harder to validate, it may be that a prolonged sloughing period is a result of poor tank conditions or stagnant water flow. With a protracted period of time in which the coral does not feed or photosynthesize in a normal manner because of its shrunken state, the nutritive/energy status of the coral becomes compromised and allows degenerative areas to develop. There may also be specific chemical or mechanical stimuli such as detritus, debris, or additives that create a locally noxious or anaerobic area. In such an area, tissue stress would be followed by necrosis caused by bacteria or other agents. Fortunately, this condition is treatable in many cases. Lugol's and freshwater dips may be of value in some cases, as the superficial necrosis is susceptible to the antiseptic properties of the dips. Simple excision of the affected areas and reliance on the remarkable healing powers of these particular leather-type soft corals is also quite successful in stopping the progression of the malady. Although these procedures may work well, they have the disadvantage of treating the outward signs and not the cause." Aquarium Corals, Borneman,pg 386.
"Leather Coral, Condition 1 may happen separately from or in conjunction with the regular surface-sloughing sessions seen in the genera Sinularia, Sarcophyton, Lobophytum, etc. Although many new hobbyists become needlessly worried when a leather coral begins a normal shedding period that makes it appear that the coral is dying, this condition is potentially a serious problem. The polyps and tissue of the coral stop expanding and turn a darker color. At some point, after a prolonged unexpanded state that may last several weeks, the tissue becomes cheesy and degenerates, rather than renewing. The coral exhibits local areas where holes and rotting tissue begin to appear on the capitulum or stalks, and these progress outward. This condition occasionally occurs in healthy, fully expanded corals, usually of the Sarcophyton genus.
Although the explanation in otherwise healthy specimens is harder to validate, it may be that a prolonged sloughing period is a result of poor tank conditions or stagnant water flow. With a protracted period of time in which the coral does not feed or photosynthesize in a normal manner because of its shrunken state, the nutritive/energy status of the coral becomes compromised and allows degenerative areas to develop. There may also be specific chemical or mechanical stimuli such as detritus, debris, or additives that create a locally noxious or anaerobic area. In such an area, tissue stress would be followed by necrosis caused by bacteria or other agents. Fortunately, this condition is treatable in many cases. Lugol's and freshwater dips may be of value in some cases, as the superficial necrosis is susceptible to the antiseptic properties of the dips. Simple excision of the affected areas and reliance on the remarkable healing powers of these particular leather-type soft corals is also quite successful in stopping the progression of the malady. Although these procedures may work well, they have the disadvantage of treating the outward signs and not the cause." Aquarium Corals, Borneman,pg 386.
rainbow grouper
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Do you think i should cut off the diseased part also can you cut the top off or will that not work.
kiefers
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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420769
Do you think i should cut off the diseased part also can you cut the top off or will that not work.
Before you go cutting anything let us do some problem solving. Like stated above, what kind of flow do you have in your tank?
Also, as you asked, can other coral be doing this...... well what other types of coral do you have and are they competing for space. You may have to move the coral and make sure it's got good flow. Watch your fish and see if there are critters nipping at it.
Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420769
Do you think i should cut off the diseased part also can you cut the top off or will that not work.
Before you go cutting anything let us do some problem solving. Like stated above, what kind of flow do you have in your tank?
Also, as you asked, can other coral be doing this...... well what other types of coral do you have and are they competing for space. You may have to move the coral and make sure it's got good flow. Watch your fish and see if there are critters nipping at it.
rainbow grouper
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nothing nipping at at moderate flow.
travelerjp98
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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420776
nothing nipping at at moderate flow.
What is "moderate flow"? How many power heads do you have? What kind? Is the coral positioned near one? Etc...
Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420776
nothing nipping at at moderate flow.
What is "moderate flow"? How many power heads do you have? What kind? Is the coral positioned near one? Etc...
lol
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Sponges have been known for chemical warfare around leathers, however that chemical causes melting, not tissue necrosis...
No, do not cut off the top. Razor blades do well to just cut off 1/4" extra into the affected area. Dip it in a hard solution of iodine... it will look like crap for a couple of days, but it will get better, especially in good, clean water.
No, do not cut off the top. Razor blades do well to just cut off 1/4" extra into the affected area. Dip it in a hard solution of iodine... it will look like crap for a couple of days, but it will get better, especially in good, clean water.
rainbow grouper
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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420807
What is "moderate flow"? How many power heads do you have? What kind? Is the coral positioned near one? Etc...
moderate flow means not really high flow(waving about) but not low flow(little water movement)
Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420807
What is "moderate flow"? How many power heads do you have? What kind? Is the coral positioned near one? Etc...
moderate flow means not really high flow(waving about) but not low flow(little water movement)
btldreef
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What traveler is trying to get at is that without telling us what type of gph you have, moderate flow is completely interpretative. What you and I may view as moderate flow in a reef tank might be completely different.
Honestly, that really looks like something is nipping at it.
Give us tank specs:
Size
Water readings
Lighting
Inhabitants
How long have you had this coral
Gph of return pump and powerheads
Can you give us a fts so we can get an idea of water movement in this area
Honestly, that really looks like something is nipping at it.
Give us tank specs:
Size
Water readings
Lighting
Inhabitants
How long have you had this coral
Gph of return pump and powerheads
Can you give us a fts so we can get an idea of water movement in this area
rainbow grouper
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The lighting is two 250 watt MH's i have had the coral for about 4 days tank size: 140 gallon the others give me a few hours.
kiefers
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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420475
yellow and mimic tang blue damsels talbot hermit crabs brittle star banded star coral goby watchman gobies pajama cardinal cleaner shrimps six line wrasse copepods scooter blenny no other inverts. could other corals cause this?
this is what he has...... the mimic tang maybe?
Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/388107/ahh-chunks-keep-coming-off-of-toadstool-leather-urgent-possible-emergency#post_3420475
yellow and mimic tang blue damsels talbot hermit crabs brittle star banded star coral goby watchman gobies pajama cardinal cleaner shrimps six line wrasse copepods scooter blenny no other inverts. could other corals cause this?
this is what he has...... the mimic tang maybe?
btldreef
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Other coral could cause this, what's around it?
Don't you have crabs in this tank, or are they in the other one?
If you've only had it for a few days, it might just be acclimating. I've seen leather corals do bizarre things while acclimating, and they look as if they're dead/dying, but after a week or two come back just fine.
Don't you have crabs in this tank, or are they in the other one?
If you've only had it for a few days, it might just be acclimating. I've seen leather corals do bizarre things while acclimating, and they look as if they're dead/dying, but after a week or two come back just fine.
rainbow grouper
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Oh by the way BTLD just got a new twin engine powerhead 6000 litres an hour thats blowing at the toadstool (nowhere near it but enough for O.k water movement)