Always wondered this...Biology question

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by mie
All creatures are to perfect to have evolved it does'nt make sense.
And i believe we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs.
Lets just keep it civil and understand that everyone is entitled to there opinons and beliefs
No harm no foul.

Rarely does this happen. Even starting with "it doesn't make sense that things evolved..." starts going down a negative path.
THe original poster asked about evolution of amphibians and insects and salt water, not whether any given person believes in evolution. So I do not believe that it is warranted to go off on tangents like "there is no evolution" but it is inevitable I suppose. Sigh.
Believe me, however, I have seen a lot of these threads. I have seen so called "civil" discussions from people who think they are fair and understanding in their beliefs...their beliefs that everyone who believes in evolution is wrong, specifically (and vice versa in fairness)!

This debate is owned by the extreme opinions (NO evolution vs NO God) on both sides, IMO.
It gets real old, and often the original question is left in the dust. It amounts to a thread hijack, IMO.

 

[mie]

Originally Posted by ophiura
Rarely does this happen. Even starting with "it doesn't make sense that things evolved..." starts going down a negative path.
THe original poster asked about evolution of amphibians and insects, not whether any given person believes in evolution. So I do not believe that it is warranted to go off on tangents like "there is no evolution" but it is inevitable I suppose. Sigh.
Believe me, however, I have seen a lot of these threads. I have seen so called "civil" discussions from people who think they are fair and understanding in their beliefs...their beliefs that everyone who believes in evolution is wrong, specifically (and vice versa in fairness)!

This debate is owned by the extreme opinions on both sides, IMO.
It gets real old, and often the original question is left in the dust. It amounts to a thread hijack, IMO.

I agree ophiura. But i do believe the original question about evolution of a specific speicies is directly tied to the rest of our planet. Understanding one can possibly help understand the other.
And to fairly answer the original question, I do not THINK that they did not evolve because they were already created that way.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by mie
I agree ophiura. But i do believe the original question about evolution of a specific speicies is directly tied to the rest of our planet. Understanding one can possibly help understand the other.
And to fairly answer the original question, I do not THINK that they did not evolve because they were already created that way.
well the original poster used the word evolve as a defining term. if you dont believe in evolution then thats your right. but talking to the original poster like they are idiotic for using the word evolved really isnt constructive. at all.
its his belief or choice of words, or whatever.

 

[reefkprz]

I dont think insects are labled insects in the ocean because once adapted to ocean life they have changed enough to no longer be classified as insects, due to environmental compensation and adaptation. so once they evolve to the point of handeling the environment they are not as similar to insects as they are to their own origibnal class of animal. I guess what i'm saying is they evolved beyond insect class into a new class. (if indeed any classifications can be linked) though I believe it would be reverse, the life in the ocean evolved into the insect class, and amphibians as well as avian and mammal.

 

[mie]

so once they evolve to the point of handeling the environment they are not as similar to insects as they are to their own origibnal class of animal. I guess what i'm saying is they evolved beyond insect class into a new class. (if indeed any classifications can be linked) though I believe it would be reverse, the life in the ocean evolved into the insect class, and amphibians as well as avian and mammal.
Is this your opinion, fact, or a theory? Just curious.
And i was'nt talking to the poster like they were an idiot. I was being blunt. No disrespect at all.

 

[kclester]

wow great piece of info....i think i remember seeing something about all life coming from the ocean one on a tv show

 

[bigarn]

Originally Posted by Samurai_Sushi
How come insects and amphibians never evolved (only word I could think of) to live in saltwater?
I think most all critters evolved from the seas to live on land and not the opposite. Am I wrong?

 

[jerthunter]

Just thought I would add. Aparently there are SOME insects that like in marine environments.
"Insects have spread into practically all habitats that can support life, but only a relatively few are marine." Hickman et al. Animal Diversity 4th ed.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by bigarn
I think most all critters evolved from the seas to live on land and not the opposite. Am I wrong?

There are some cases where it appears that certain groups moved back from land into the ocean or lakes. It all has to do with niches. If you run out of food in one environment there are 2 choices, die or find a new environment with food.

 

[mie]

Originally Posted by bigarn
I think most all critters evolved from the seas to live on land and not the opposite. Am I wrong?

There is no "EVIDENCE" to suport this, just a theory.
However it is interesting.

 

[mie]

Samuri sushi is this a test question in school or are you doing a report? Just curious.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by mie
Is this your opinion, fact, or a theory? Just curious..
its my opinion of course. based on some facts and some theory and what I think. nothing more. I'm pretty sure i mentioned that it was what I thought or didnt think rather about the situation. its just my thoughts on it nothing more.
Originally Posted by mie
And i was'nt talking to the poster like they were an idiot. I was being blunt. No disrespect at all.
blunt.. ok I'll take that at face value. from my point of view it sounded like you were degrading the original poster for believing in evolution (or mentioning it) I apologize.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by mie
There is no "EVIDENCE" to suport this, just a theory.
However it is interesting.
come on, don't say things like this. Perhaps you can say there is no "EVIDENCE" that you are aware of or that you don't believe in the evidence present, but claiming that no evidence exists is a little bold and will almost always strike a nerve with people.

 

[mie]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
come on, don't say things like this. Perhaps you can say there is no "EVIDENCE" that you are aware of or that you don't believe in the evidence present, but claiming that no evidence exists is a little bold and will almost always strike a nerve with people.
Dont want to strike a nerve. However it is what it is, there are no hard facts to support your theory.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by mie
Dont want to strike a nerve. However it is what it is, there are no hard facts to support your theory.
MY theory? It it isn't my theory but thanks for giving me credit for it.
Saying that there is no evidence or there are no hard facts implies that you know everything out there that there is to know, which strikes a nerve because it sounds extremely vain.

 

[mie]

If there was evedince, it would be world renound evedince, because it would prove the evolution theory. Not trying to sound just stating the lack of facts.

 

[reefkprz]

ok at this point if I was mod I would lockdown this thread. for a couple reasons
1 as usual the reference to belief oriented subjects like evolution versus creationism has distracted this topic from its intended point. the OP asked why there are no insects in the ocean, not what everyones beliefs on evolution/creationism are.
2 other posters have side tracked this thread from its purpose (other posters means "other than the original poster")
3 my belief that the original point has been lost. within the last 6 posts how many actually referance or answer anything related to the original question.
no offense to any one but this thread is no longer answering the original posters questionits become a debate of semantics and theology, not biology.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by reefkprZ
ok at this point if I was mod I would lockdown this thread. for a couple reasons
1 as usual the reference to belief oriented subjects like evolution versus creationism has distracted this topic from its intended point. the OP asked why there are no insects in the ocean, not what everyones beliefs on evolution/creationism are.
2 other posters have side tracked this thread from its purpose
3 my belief that the original point has been lost. within the last 6 posts how many actually referance or answer anything related to the original question.
no offense to any one but this thread is no longer answering the original posters questionits become a debate of semantics and theology, not biology.

No MOD for you!

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
No MOD for you!
I know but I'm ok with that

 

[mie]

The origional question is still very much a part of this disscusion. It is the topic.
It is not about belief it is about facts and the lack there of suporting them.
The origianal point is key to this op's question. How can you grow and become smart without oposition or challenges. I think locking this post would be hanus.