Ammonia spike and coral questions

new2us

Member
Hello everyone - I need help again, please.
Our tank has been set up for about four months now - recently added 270 watts of light, a finger leather coral, and 2 small mushroom rocks. The leather was "shedding" from the root(?)
as soon as we placed it into the tank and never did turn fully mint green even after we have had it now about 10 days but looked fairly healthy as far as the structure. Water parameters were fine at the time. The mushrooms looked GREAT until yesterday. About 3 days ago, we got this HUGE red hair algae bloom that the janitors could not keep up with. 2 days ago, added an Angel and Blenny - did well in the acclimation. Last night, I tested and the nitrates were about 15 and ammonia was 1.0. Did a 20% water change and checked my filtration, turned off the lights. This a.m., ammonia was 3.0 so I did another big water change, added the AmmoLock and Bio-spira and turned off protein skimmer and lights, so I am waiting and hoping........ My problem is that I have no idea where the spike came from! Everyone in the tank has been accounted for. The coral is turning pink though and seems to have some sort of damage to the base - looks like a hold between a "branch" and the main trunk at the bottom. I found some sort of slimey stuff (white) on one of the mushroom rocks and am about to scrape that off - not sure what that could be???
Salinity at 1.022
Temp at 78*
Ammonia still reading off the charts but hoping to be better
by tomorrow. Fish breathing heavier than usual but noone looks panicked or discolored and are still swimming around like normal.
1. Can corals cause an ammonia spike if they are damaged?
2. Is there anything I can try to save this leather coral?
3. Any clue as to whether or not the huge algae bloom could
cause that kind of spike?
4. Do mushrooms put off any sort of slimey substance?
5. Are you not supposed to run a protein skimmer 24/7 ?
Does doing that pull out too much of the "good" bacteria?
We are still new and this is our first attempt at corals at all.
Have had an ammonia spike a couple months back, but knew what caused that one - this is a total mystery and I do NOT want it to happen again!
55 gallon tank w/ 6 fish - each less than 4 inches, 1 coral banded shrimp, CBS, 10 bumble bee snails, 1 turbo (can't seem to keep those alive long), 14 hermit crabs, approx 35 lbs LR (adding a little, cured, at a time) and another 25 lbs base, crushed coral, 2 powerheads, CC, Seaclone 100, Emperor 400 filter.
Any and all comments and suggestions would be extremely appreciated!:nervous:
 

dburr

Active Member
No. 1: if they are dying yes. If healthy no.
No. 2: leathers shead from time to time, normal.
No. 3: algae does not cause an ammonia spike.
No. 4: they have white stringy stuff come out the mouth if stressed. Not slimey.
No. 5: yes, run the PS 24-7. It takes out mostly gunk not good stuff.
How fast did you add the fish, to fast to soon can cause a spike.
HTH
 

ophiura

Active Member
How long did your tank take to cycle, and what method did you use?
What fish do you have, specifically? How often and how much do you feed? FWIW, you have quite a few fish in that tank - quite possibly maxed out, and it is a very young tank! I like to see tanks reach max stocking now earlier than 6 months, and really it is best if it takes longer, IMO.
Corals can, if dying or dead, contribute to ammonia spikes...but I have seen some pretty "far gone" looking leathers that turn around.
Skimmers do not remove bacteria, so far as the question pertains to "good" bacteria...and should be run basically all the time. They are removing fats, proteins, etc that break down and contribute to ammonia problems...so turning it off is not the best idea in this situation.
 

new2us

Member
Thanks for the responses - - -
Just got back from our very small mom and pop LFS - got some
activated carbon, did another 20% water change before adding it to my filter. All fish are still alive, but not swimming - just trying to breathe.
This hobby is not for the impatient, I know. Lesson learned this time - - -when you think you are going slow, slow down.
1 - Purple pseudochromis (sp?)
1 - Very small tomato clown maybe an inch
1 - Slightly larger Sebae clown
1- Same size chromis damsel (left from the original cycle)
1 - Lawnmower blenny
1 - Elibi angel, little over 2 inches
Had everything else except blenny and angel since a few weeks after tank cycled out - that was about 2 or 3 weeks with Bio-spira and 4 or 5 damsels, but that was back in October.
The blenny and the angel were added on Tuesday.
Maybe it was adding the coral and the mushrooms and the 2 fish and 1 piece of cured LR within about 10 days that did it?
I know you are supposed to go slow, but I guess even after the tank cycles through you should add one thing at a time and no more than one new in a 2 or 3 week time span. We didn't realize just how really sensitive that "bioload" is, but do now - just hope my fish don't have to pay for our mistake.:nervous: Why don't they have a "face" for the knots in my stomach?
 

ophiura

Active Member
I think you did overload it too quickly...but more importantly how much, and how often are you feeding? Overfeeding is probably the number one mistake in a new tank, so it is important to get a grasp on how much is going in.
 

meadbhb

Member
Hiya,
Did you get the LR from the store or shipped in? If it spent any time out of water die off is going to start. If put right into the tank it can cause an amonia spike.
My LFS is 5 minutes from my house so I can take a bucket down to them and transport my LR completely submerged so I don't have die off.
Meadbhb
 

new2us

Member
Update:
Everything is almost back to normal. The Bio-spira went to work and the lights were off for a few days, added some more live rock (cured at the store, and then re-cured in our quarantine tank) and activated carbon (to the filter of course) for added filtration. Now the fish and the shrimp, snails, and crabs are all accounted for and breathing a lot easier. We are lucky not to have lost anybody - HUGE lesson learned!!! The leather coral looks pretty sad, but I'm not sure he was going to make it anyway - he is now in "the hospital" for a few weeks.
Here's another lesson learned that might be good for any other newbies reading this:
Never, never change your filter cartridges all at the same time - this gets rid of too much bacteria at once. If you have 2 cartridges, change 1 and then change the other about a week or so later.
The good thing is that now my red algae is completely gone whereas it had been practically running rampant. Maybe need to take the advice from another thread on the boards and lessen the time on the lights to see if that prevents the recurrence.
Thanks guys for all the comments and suggestions! I do so appreciate your help!
 
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