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jdragunas
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in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
***** and Sea Horses !
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devildog01
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Originally Posted by jdragunas
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Its really weird, I wonder why policies wouldnt apply to all stores...
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Its really weird, I wonder why policies wouldnt apply to all stores...
celacanthr
Active Member
DANG! Darth, and Dragunas beat me to it!!!! AHHHH!
Also, I don't believe beth wrote either article, she just linked it in the archives section.
(That is if you were talking about the seahorse threads)
Also, I don't believe beth wrote either article, she just linked it in the archives section.
(That is if you were talking about the seahorse threads)
cheyco
Member
Darth Tang, about 5 lbs of live rock and the filter is just the little one that came with the kit. A Topfin 10. I went to a saltwater convention in VA. a few months back and Seahorse.org was there. That was all they had set up, with the exception of a little net covering part of the filter so as not to suck up babies/food. I was a little surprised. Maybe I should put a few more pieces of rock in. Thanks guys for all the info. BTW Snailheave I'm on my way right now to check it out.
popnfrresh
Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
nuh, huh, they offer a 14-day money-back guarantee
Wrong. Salt water fish is 0 day while fresh is 14 days. Jdragunas all you have to say about ***** is good stuff. the corporation is evil. I know from inside and out. They dont care about the animals but only for profits. Instead of opening a fish order and slowly acclimating i was forced to open bag and dump shipping water in the tank. Ph burn, no qt tank, bullied by existing fish. Given the 30 mins or less with salt then forced to run back to stock.
Its not the fact that the people there dont know anything about the fish. The fish specialist USUALLY knows their stuff. It is the other people that dont. IE casheirs, stock, maintence, small animals, reptiles personell that may not know anyhthing and that is where the dept takes a turn for the worse. ( Feeding pinkies to the triggers/eels, Feeding goldfish to lions until they look like they will burst. not scooping out the dead fish. inadequite protein skimmers, all 8 tanks hooked together promotes sick fish infecting fish in other tanks on same system, Leaving sump on all night long killing 95% of fish in the system Quick math for sump. 5 ft long tank 18 inches deep 18 inches tall * 7.5 gallons per cubic ft. = ~85 gallons takes about 3 mins to fill sump. ~27 gph. 10 pm at night to 7 am in morning = 9 hours. 60 mins * 9 hours *27 gph = 14580 gallons of water through the sump and on the floor. Temp was 40 degrees and salinity 1.005...)
I could prolly go on all night long about the horror stories in my old store and more in my district. Bottem line is the corp is evil. there may be some stores where the employees care and run the store right. Not all petcos suck but most do.
Originally Posted by jdragunas
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Once corporate finds out about that one they will most likely be punished.
Im not bashing the store but bashing corporation. Some stores are good but most are not.
nuh, huh, they offer a 14-day money-back guarantee
Wrong. Salt water fish is 0 day while fresh is 14 days. Jdragunas all you have to say about ***** is good stuff. the corporation is evil. I know from inside and out. They dont care about the animals but only for profits. Instead of opening a fish order and slowly acclimating i was forced to open bag and dump shipping water in the tank. Ph burn, no qt tank, bullied by existing fish. Given the 30 mins or less with salt then forced to run back to stock.
Its not the fact that the people there dont know anything about the fish. The fish specialist USUALLY knows their stuff. It is the other people that dont. IE casheirs, stock, maintence, small animals, reptiles personell that may not know anyhthing and that is where the dept takes a turn for the worse. ( Feeding pinkies to the triggers/eels, Feeding goldfish to lions until they look like they will burst. not scooping out the dead fish. inadequite protein skimmers, all 8 tanks hooked together promotes sick fish infecting fish in other tanks on same system, Leaving sump on all night long killing 95% of fish in the system Quick math for sump. 5 ft long tank 18 inches deep 18 inches tall * 7.5 gallons per cubic ft. = ~85 gallons takes about 3 mins to fill sump. ~27 gph. 10 pm at night to 7 am in morning = 9 hours. 60 mins * 9 hours *27 gph = 14580 gallons of water through the sump and on the floor. Temp was 40 degrees and salinity 1.005...)
I could prolly go on all night long about the horror stories in my old store and more in my district. Bottem line is the corp is evil. there may be some stores where the employees care and run the store right. Not all petcos suck but most do.
Originally Posted by jdragunas
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Once corporate finds out about that one they will most likely be punished.
Im not bashing the store but bashing corporation. Some stores are good but most are not.
jhebi
Member
Originally Posted by popnfrresh
Wrong. Salt water fish is 0 day while fresh is 14 days. Jdragunas all you have to say about ***** is good stuff. the corporation is evil. I know from inside and out. They dont care about the animals but only for profits. Instead of opening a fish order and slowly acclimating i was forced to open bag and dump shipping water in the tank. Ph burn, no qt tank, bullied by existing fish. Given the 30 mins or less with salt then forced to run back to stock.
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
Wrong. Salt water fish is 0 day while fresh is 14 days. Jdragunas all you have to say about ***** is good stuff. the corporation is evil. I know from inside and out. They dont care about the animals but only for profits. Instead of opening a fish order and slowly acclimating i was forced to open bag and dump shipping water in the tank. Ph burn, no qt tank, bullied by existing fish. Given the 30 mins or less with salt then forced to run back to stock.
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
duke13
Member
Originally Posted by jhebi
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
Whether to acclimate properly or not has always been an argument. I know of people that do and of people that don't. I personally do acclimate because I care about the welfare of the fish. Yes, I could just drop the fish in but that's like potentially throwing money out the window. If you're paying good money for a fish, you're going to make sure your investment survives. Owners/sellers like that guy get this stuff dirt cheap, if the fish dies, it's no big deal to them.
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
Whether to acclimate properly or not has always been an argument. I know of people that do and of people that don't. I personally do acclimate because I care about the welfare of the fish. Yes, I could just drop the fish in but that's like potentially throwing money out the window. If you're paying good money for a fish, you're going to make sure your investment survives. Owners/sellers like that guy get this stuff dirt cheap, if the fish dies, it's no big deal to them.
darth tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by cheyco
Darth Tang, about 5 lbs of live rock and the filter is just the little one that came with the kit. A Topfin 10. I went to a saltwater convention in VA. a few months back and Seahorse.org was there. That was all they had set up, with the exception of a little net covering part of the filter so as not to suck up babies/food. I was a little surprised. Maybe I should put a few more pieces of rock in. Thanks guys for all the info. BTW Snailheave I'm on my way right now to check it out.
I would definitely add about 20 lbs. more rock. I would also keep using the topfin.....but get the biggest size you can fit in that tank. You should be ok for 2 horses. No more than that.
Darth Tang, about 5 lbs of live rock and the filter is just the little one that came with the kit. A Topfin 10. I went to a saltwater convention in VA. a few months back and Seahorse.org was there. That was all they had set up, with the exception of a little net covering part of the filter so as not to suck up babies/food. I was a little surprised. Maybe I should put a few more pieces of rock in. Thanks guys for all the info. BTW Snailheave I'm on my way right now to check it out.
I would definitely add about 20 lbs. more rock. I would also keep using the topfin.....but get the biggest size you can fit in that tank. You should be ok for 2 horses. No more than that.
darth tang
Active Member
Originally Posted by jhebi
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
Some fish stores do this regularly. Here is why.....In some shipping formats the fish are in the bags a while. When the produce waste in these bags it lowers the PH of the water and adds ammonia. If they were to drip acclimate with these conditions the would gradually raise the PH also thus raising the amount of amonia as the two can be tied together. Thus the fish would die from ammonia burn when acclimated properly. In this instance it is safer to drop the fish in the tank than to acclimate..........but this is the only instance I can think of.
i believe aclimation depends on the fish store and not only *****. 1 time i went to this big LFS, where thy bring bunch of fishes and have excellent selection of corals....i was there checking some corals and they got a bacth of fishes from hawaii (yellow tangs, achilles tangs and some emperor fish) the guy which was the owner opened the ctns pulled out the bags and just threw them on 2 different tanks w/ no aclimation and i asked him and he told me that his water is always adequate with n/p. he said that he has been doing that for over 15 years with experience and said that fishes that accomodate are the ones will survive and some will get stress but they will get better.....
in my opinion he had some great fishes...lots of customer....and left me wondering???? :thinking:
Some fish stores do this regularly. Here is why.....In some shipping formats the fish are in the bags a while. When the produce waste in these bags it lowers the PH of the water and adds ammonia. If they were to drip acclimate with these conditions the would gradually raise the PH also thus raising the amount of amonia as the two can be tied together. Thus the fish would die from ammonia burn when acclimated properly. In this instance it is safer to drop the fish in the tank than to acclimate..........but this is the only instance I can think of.
darth tang
Active Member
While the topic about guarantee is here also, let me add this. There is not one store iun my area that I know of that give guarantees on saltwater fish. This includes the smaller ones. I do have one that gives all the advice to new customers, but he doesn't want to guarantee a fish survives for them when he knows nothing about their tank, set up, if it has properly cycled and so on. He will however extend a guarantee if you are a regular. As he has knowledge of your systems through talking with you over time and understanding what you are trying to do.
I can understand a company not offering aguarantee on saltwater fish...to a point. New person comes in, has a 20 gallon tank they just added saltwater to. Doesn't talk to anyone, has a Yellow Tang bagged up and then two days later is back asking for their money back. See why a guarantee is a bad Idea? Was it the stores fault in this case the fish died?
I can understand a company not offering aguarantee on saltwater fish...to a point. New person comes in, has a 20 gallon tank they just added saltwater to. Doesn't talk to anyone, has a Yellow Tang bagged up and then two days later is back asking for their money back. See why a guarantee is a bad Idea? Was it the stores fault in this case the fish died?
popnfrresh
Member
Originally Posted by Darth Tang
While the topic about guarantee is here also, let me add this. There is not one store iun my area that I know of that give guarantees on saltwater fish. This includes the smaller ones. I do have one that gives all the advice to new customers, but he doesn't want to guarantee a fish survives for them when he knows nothing about their tank, set up, if it has properly cycled and so on. He will however extend a guarantee if you are a regular. As he has knowledge of your systems through talking with you over time and understanding what you are trying to do.
I can understand a company not offering aguarantee on saltwater fish...to a point. New person comes in, has a 20 gallon tank they just added saltwater to. Doesn't talk to anyone, has a Yellow Tang bagged up and then two days later is back asking for their money back. See why a guarantee is a bad Idea? Was it the stores fault in this case the fish died?
Yes they should not havbe sold them a yellow tang for a 20. EVERYtime i worked at ***** i would not sell someone something i didnt think would live in that tank. IE nemo in a bowl...
While the topic about guarantee is here also, let me add this. There is not one store iun my area that I know of that give guarantees on saltwater fish. This includes the smaller ones. I do have one that gives all the advice to new customers, but he doesn't want to guarantee a fish survives for them when he knows nothing about their tank, set up, if it has properly cycled and so on. He will however extend a guarantee if you are a regular. As he has knowledge of your systems through talking with you over time and understanding what you are trying to do.
I can understand a company not offering aguarantee on saltwater fish...to a point. New person comes in, has a 20 gallon tank they just added saltwater to. Doesn't talk to anyone, has a Yellow Tang bagged up and then two days later is back asking for their money back. See why a guarantee is a bad Idea? Was it the stores fault in this case the fish died?
Yes they should not havbe sold them a yellow tang for a 20. EVERYtime i worked at ***** i would not sell someone something i didnt think would live in that tank. IE nemo in a bowl...
darth tang
Active Member
You missed my point......if the customer doesn't ask the question.....the person selling the fish knows nothing about what they plan to do with it. Is that the shops fault? No....
Do Gas station attendants ask questions to consumers about their cars to make sure they are placing the right grade of fuel in it? No they don't.....It is the same scenario for some LFS.....If the consumer doesn't pony up information.....then is it economical to give guarantees when there are so many factors on the consumers part that can go wrong?
Even if questions are asked and answered properly.....can you guarantee the new owner acclimated properly and just didn't get in a hurry.........
If the store doesn't offer a guarantee...that doesn't immediately classify them as bad.....Mine doesn't, out of I think five in the area (not counting petcos) he is the only guy I will go to...He is knowledgable and will give me a guarantee....now that I have inturn given him my loyalty and will head his advise.
Do Gas station attendants ask questions to consumers about their cars to make sure they are placing the right grade of fuel in it? No they don't.....It is the same scenario for some LFS.....If the consumer doesn't pony up information.....then is it economical to give guarantees when there are so many factors on the consumers part that can go wrong?
Even if questions are asked and answered properly.....can you guarantee the new owner acclimated properly and just didn't get in a hurry.........
If the store doesn't offer a guarantee...that doesn't immediately classify them as bad.....Mine doesn't, out of I think five in the area (not counting petcos) he is the only guy I will go to...He is knowledgable and will give me a guarantee....now that I have inturn given him my loyalty and will head his advise.
keleighr
Active Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Ours has a money back gurantee as well.
Plus at mine if you buy live rock you might come home with a little extra!!
I just realized that the Bar Goby was just dropped into the tank with out any kind of Floating or Acclimation done to it!!!!
YOU GO Bar GOby!!!!!!
in my store it's on everything... like i've said a million times, it's all based on that branch alone...
Ours has a money back gurantee as well.
Plus at mine if you buy live rock you might come home with a little extra!!
I just realized that the Bar Goby was just dropped into the tank with out any kind of Floating or Acclimation done to it!!!!
YOU GO Bar GOby!!!!!!
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jdragunas
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THANK YOU!!! I was just about to call Ophiura!!! Now, let me apoligize ahead of time, i'm really not a mean person, but this kind of stuff just irks the crap out of me...
This is the problem with this forum. Someone comes on here asking for advice, an instead, you find the one thing in their post (which wasn't even important at all), and focus on that!!! It's ridiculous. This person simply asked if seahorses would be compatible with her pipefish and shrimp, she didn't ask anyone's opinion about how good ***** is, or their corporate policy or any of that crap. I've said it a million ties, and i'll say it again, this website's purpose is not to bash *****... if you want to do that, do it privately through email!!! We are here to give good avice to people, not to change the subject of every thread to "***** SUCKS"!!!
So take your whining elsewhere!!!!!!!!!!
And yes, i do have good things to say about *****, because i have a good *****... why would i say bad things about them???
This is the problem with this forum. Someone comes on here asking for advice, an instead, you find the one thing in their post (which wasn't even important at all), and focus on that!!! It's ridiculous. This person simply asked if seahorses would be compatible with her pipefish and shrimp, she didn't ask anyone's opinion about how good ***** is, or their corporate policy or any of that crap. I've said it a million ties, and i'll say it again, this website's purpose is not to bash *****... if you want to do that, do it privately through email!!! We are here to give good avice to people, not to change the subject of every thread to "***** SUCKS"!!!
And yes, i do have good things to say about *****, because i have a good *****... why would i say bad things about them???
otto13
Member
I am sorry for this offshoot thread Cheyco. I really hope you get a good pair of ponies and that some of the advice on this thread helped you out.
HOWEVER.....
I can not believe how irresponsible you are being about this jdragunas. It is obviously that *****, as a whole, is not responsible enough to be in the saltwater trade. Just because you are the lucky exception and dont have to see the thousands of fish dying or dead like the rest of us, doesnt mean that they should be in the business. Your situation has blinded you to the fish massacre that is ***** as a company.
Plainy put, they should be forced out of the saltwater business for the sake of the industry and the fish.
I didnt start the ***** bashing on this thread but I agreed with it because Cheyco only had 16 posts and should have been warned about *****'s reputation and overall rating. It would have been irresponsible to do anything less.
So..... when newbies come on this site, the ***** bashers will be there. When water quality is horrible and ick is everywhere, ***** bashers will be there. Until they are forced out of the saltwater fish trade, ***** bashers will be there.
We are passionate because we have to see it. You dont.
Originally Posted by jdragunas
We are here to give good avice to people, not to change the subject of every thread to "***** SUCKS"!!!
So take your whining elsewhere!!!!!!!!!!
And yes, i do have good things to say about *****, because i have a good *****... why would i say bad things about them???
You are correct.... our "good advice" is to not buy at ***** so they stop stocking saltwater fish and killing newbie tanks at home with disease.
Why would you have bad things to say about *****? Because you know that your location is the exception and that deep down, you know that for every good fish you get, too many have to die at other locations.
HOWEVER.....
I can not believe how irresponsible you are being about this jdragunas. It is obviously that *****, as a whole, is not responsible enough to be in the saltwater trade. Just because you are the lucky exception and dont have to see the thousands of fish dying or dead like the rest of us, doesnt mean that they should be in the business. Your situation has blinded you to the fish massacre that is ***** as a company.
Plainy put, they should be forced out of the saltwater business for the sake of the industry and the fish.
I didnt start the ***** bashing on this thread but I agreed with it because Cheyco only had 16 posts and should have been warned about *****'s reputation and overall rating. It would have been irresponsible to do anything less.
So..... when newbies come on this site, the ***** bashers will be there. When water quality is horrible and ick is everywhere, ***** bashers will be there. Until they are forced out of the saltwater fish trade, ***** bashers will be there.
We are passionate because we have to see it. You dont.
Originally Posted by jdragunas
We are here to give good avice to people, not to change the subject of every thread to "***** SUCKS"!!!
And yes, i do have good things to say about *****, because i have a good *****... why would i say bad things about them???
You are correct.... our "good advice" is to not buy at ***** so they stop stocking saltwater fish and killing newbie tanks at home with disease.
Why would you have bad things to say about *****? Because you know that your location is the exception and that deep down, you know that for every good fish you get, too many have to die at other locations.
darth tang
Active Member
Pay attention.......this thread is about seahorses....that was the question proposed.......end of question.....Answer the question. If the person wanted to see someone go off on a tangent about *****, they could just look a page back I am sure. Their question was about Seahorses.........incidentally where she was getting them was mentioned. People in the future....do not mention where you are getting your fish....you will actually get posts that only answer your question instead of forcing you to sift through a ton of useless information you weren't concerned about in the first place.
Have a nice day.
P.S. I know I was guilty of taking the thread in the wrong direction....BUT only after my post answering the original question. Otto, have you answered the original question? Do you have an answer? Ifso, do the poster a kind favor and answer their question. If not...I believe the ***** bashing thread can be found in the aquarium....stop by and bash wal-mart while you are at it....just for kicks.
Have a nice day.
P.S. I know I was guilty of taking the thread in the wrong direction....BUT only after my post answering the original question. Otto, have you answered the original question? Do you have an answer? Ifso, do the poster a kind favor and answer their question. If not...I believe the ***** bashing thread can be found in the aquarium....stop by and bash wal-mart while you are at it....just for kicks.
darth tang
Active Member
lol...I apologize....I just looked back through the thread and seen you did answer first....Hard to see though amongst all the "crap" in it.
Yes I like your new response ....very PC and short.
Yes I like your new response ....very PC and short.