darthtang aw
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The Military is facing a 400% increase in cost to them of their heath insurance. The thing I find interesting is, the federal civilian employees will see no such increase.
And you thought your insurance increase was ridiculous?
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mantisman51
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Thankfully for folks like my son-in-law and daughter, the rate remains the same for E3 and under. It is the NCO's and officers who are getting creamed. My E1 SIL only brings home $900 a month before housing allowance, so it would have been devastating. I agree with the civil service being exempted being a load a shiite. But the Army can't go on strike and doesn't have the worlds largest (corrupt) union strong-arming politicians.
jerthunter
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Any increase in medical costs would be an infinite percent increase from when I did my time since we didn't have to pay for medical, or dental, or vision, or housing, or food... (and I still made more money then I do now).
darthtang aw
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Any increase in medical costs would be an infinite percent increase from when I did my time since we didn't have to pay for medical, or dental, or vision, or housing, or food... (and I still made more money then I do now).
When were you in? Because based off the stories I have read and talking with family members...They pay and their cost will be increasing. considerably.
jerthunter
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July 4th 2004 I went on terminal leave, I started in August 1998. Of course they may be talking about coverage for families (or for reservists/parttimers), which I didn't have when I was in, but during my time there was no cost for individual servicemen.
My guess is that the costs you are hearing about are for covering one's family, which probably are increasing quite rapidly to catchup to the costs most civillians pay for their coverage. I am curious to find out what they are having to pay now since it has been a few years since I got out. I also hope they have improved the care from my time in since it was rather... lacking in quality when I was in.
My guess is that the costs you are hearing about are for covering one's family, which probably are increasing quite rapidly to catchup to the costs most civillians pay for their coverage. I am curious to find out what they are having to pay now since it has been a few years since I got out. I also hope they have improved the care from my time in since it was rather... lacking in quality when I was in.
jerthunter
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I just realized you might be speaking of retirees which is a whole different thing that I am not aware of since I didn't do 20-30 years and thus didn't retire. And retirees are seeing their rates go up.
bionicarm
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Here are the changes:
http://www.military.com/benefits/content/tricare/retiree/proposed-tricare-fee-changes.html?comp=7000022778863&rank=1
I personally have no sympathy for officer retirees that get $40K - $80K per year in retirement pay, then get Tricare healthcare that isn't far off from the services I receive for a whopping $450/YEAR. You have independent contractors and small business owners who have to pay that amount every MONTH (or more) for health insurance.
http://www.military.com/benefits/content/tricare/retiree/proposed-tricare-fee-changes.html?comp=7000022778863&rank=1
I personally have no sympathy for officer retirees that get $40K - $80K per year in retirement pay, then get Tricare healthcare that isn't far off from the services I receive for a whopping $450/YEAR. You have independent contractors and small business owners who have to pay that amount every MONTH (or more) for health insurance.
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462211
Here are the changes:
http://www.military.com/benefits/content/tricare/retiree/proposed-tricare-fee-changes.html?comp=7000022778863&rank=1
I personally have no sympathy for officer retirees that get $40K - $80K per year in retirement pay, then get Tricare healthcare that isn't far off from the services I receive for a whopping $450/YEAR. You have independent contractors and small business owners who have to pay that amount every MONTH (or more) for health insurance.
I'm curious......Did you serve.......
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462211
Here are the changes:
http://www.military.com/benefits/content/tricare/retiree/proposed-tricare-fee-changes.html?comp=7000022778863&rank=1
I personally have no sympathy for officer retirees that get $40K - $80K per year in retirement pay, then get Tricare healthcare that isn't far off from the services I receive for a whopping $450/YEAR. You have independent contractors and small business owners who have to pay that amount every MONTH (or more) for health insurance.
I'm curious......Did you serve.......
darthtang aw
Active Member
I'm curious......Did you serve.......
no he didnt...he just makes a living by contracting out and doing work at military bases. he will be quick to explain to you the amount of incompetant military personnel he runs into and a bunch of other crap anyone that has ever served or grown up in a military family will see right through.
bionic is a closet military hater.
mantisman51
Active Member
Hm, funny how my wife and I were talking the other day about military contractors. We have noticed here at Ft Huachuca that soldiers and former/retired military contractors are the nicest people and you can always tell the civilian contractors and bureaucrats-be they security guards or hospital personnel because they are the laziest and have the worst attitudes.When we've seen and dealt with nice contractors/federal workers on base, I always ask if they were military, and without exception they were. The several times I've asked the dicks if they were military, they always say no. There is an attitude that those who are there for a dang paycheck(civy union dicks), so don't you dare inconvenience them, have and the genuine niceness and sense of duty and honor the former military have. The saddest thing is that these union POS treat the servicemen and their families worse than anyone and they have to put up with it and the union scum know it. Helping my daughter navigate the bureaucracy of the Army system has been enlightening. Our soldiers deserve so much more than these government union dicks that run the system-healthcare or any other.
hydrodamoper
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462197
When were you in? Because based off the stories I have read and talking with family members...They pay and their cost will be increasing. considerably.
Not sure when they started charging ACTIVE duty members for Medical/Dental, but I enlisted in 1985 and retired in 2005 and never paid for any medical/dental procedures. Guess we were lucky to get out when I did.
I was married with 3 kids (all 3 born in a military hospital for under $30 each
) and as late as 2003 my wife and kids could make appts in the family care clinic on Ft Bragg and walk out with a perscription within 2hrs. I do remember back in 1996, when I was a recruiter, I was required to enroll in Tricare standard because I was over 3hrs from the nearest military post. At that time there was no enrollment/annual fees, just small co-pays for office visits. I know the dental coverage was starting to change in 2002 and my wife/kids had to get dental insurance to be seen by a dentist off post (not sure of the costs at that time).
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462197
When were you in? Because based off the stories I have read and talking with family members...They pay and their cost will be increasing. considerably.
Not sure when they started charging ACTIVE duty members for Medical/Dental, but I enlisted in 1985 and retired in 2005 and never paid for any medical/dental procedures. Guess we were lucky to get out when I did.
I was married with 3 kids (all 3 born in a military hospital for under $30 each
mantisman51
Active Member
That's all my son-in-law and daughter pays for now is co-pays. If I understood the literature they gave my daughter last time, now if you're E4 or E5 and higher there were going to be new fees.
deton8it
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Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462330
Not sure when they started charging ACTIVE duty members for Medical/Dental, but I enlisted in 1985 and retired in 2005 and never paid for any medical/dental procedures. Guess we were lucky to get out when I did.
I was married with 3 kids (all 3 born in a military hospital for under $30 each
) and as late as 2003 my wife and kids could make appts in the family care clinic on Ft Bragg and walk out with a perscription within 2hrs. I do remember back in 1996, when I was a recruiter, I was required to enroll in Tricare standard because I was over 3hrs from the nearest military post. At that time there was no enrollment/annual fees, just small co-pays for office visits. I know the dental coverage was starting to change in 2002 and my wife/kids had to get dental insurance to be seen by a dentist off post (not sure of the costs at that time).
I have paid for Dental for the family ever since I got married in 1997. I also paid a co-pay for medical back then. I no longer pay for family medical since the base I'm at can see dependents but I most certainly have paid for their medical. We have yet to be stationed at a base that has dental for my dependents. That has always been a co-pay type of coverage. Currently Tricare will provide $1,200 coverage per year per dependent for dental. That might sound like a lot until you find out that the 14 year old needs a root canal. Sad face.
John
Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462330
Not sure when they started charging ACTIVE duty members for Medical/Dental, but I enlisted in 1985 and retired in 2005 and never paid for any medical/dental procedures. Guess we were lucky to get out when I did.
I was married with 3 kids (all 3 born in a military hospital for under $30 each
I have paid for Dental for the family ever since I got married in 1997. I also paid a co-pay for medical back then. I no longer pay for family medical since the base I'm at can see dependents but I most certainly have paid for their medical. We have yet to be stationed at a base that has dental for my dependents. That has always been a co-pay type of coverage. Currently Tricare will provide $1,200 coverage per year per dependent for dental. That might sound like a lot until you find out that the 14 year old needs a root canal. Sad face.
John
hydrodamoper
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Originally Posted by Deton8it http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462335
I have paid for Dental for the family ever since I got married in 1997. I also paid a co-pay for medical back then. I no longer pay for family medical since the base I'm at can see dependents but I most certainly have paid for their medical. We have yet to be stationed at a base that has dental for my dependents. That has always been a co-pay type of coverage. Currently Tricare will provide $1,200 coverage per year per dependent for dental. That might sound like a lot until you find out that the 14 year old needs a root canal. Sad face.
John
You are probably correct on the dental comments. I asked the "bill collector/wife" and she said we did have dental insurance before 2002. I guess we made a change around that time and I assumed that is when we enrolled in Tricare dental insurance. Before 2002 I really didnt use dental as my kids were too young (0-5 yrs old).
As for the for medical comments, I have always been stationed at a post/base that did have medical facilities to service myself and dependants. In the 20 years I spent in, the only time my dependants or I ever dealt with a off-post medical facilities or doctor was when I was a recruiter. I guess I have always stationed at bigger bases that offered medical/dental for dependants.
BTW - Thanks to you and your family for your service
Originally Posted by Deton8it http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462335
I have paid for Dental for the family ever since I got married in 1997. I also paid a co-pay for medical back then. I no longer pay for family medical since the base I'm at can see dependents but I most certainly have paid for their medical. We have yet to be stationed at a base that has dental for my dependents. That has always been a co-pay type of coverage. Currently Tricare will provide $1,200 coverage per year per dependent for dental. That might sound like a lot until you find out that the 14 year old needs a root canal. Sad face.
John
You are probably correct on the dental comments. I asked the "bill collector/wife" and she said we did have dental insurance before 2002. I guess we made a change around that time and I assumed that is when we enrolled in Tricare dental insurance. Before 2002 I really didnt use dental as my kids were too young (0-5 yrs old).
As for the for medical comments, I have always been stationed at a post/base that did have medical facilities to service myself and dependants. In the 20 years I spent in, the only time my dependants or I ever dealt with a off-post medical facilities or doctor was when I was a recruiter. I guess I have always stationed at bigger bases that offered medical/dental for dependants.
BTW - Thanks to you and your family for your service
deton8it
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Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462343
BTW - Thanks to you and your family for your service
Thank you.
Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462343
BTW - Thanks to you and your family for your service
Thank you.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462319
Hm, funny how my wife and I were talking the other day about military contractors. We have noticed here at Ft Huachuca that soldiers and former/retired military contractors are the nicest people and you can always tell the civilian contractors and bureaucrats-be they security guards or hospital personnel because they are the laziest and have the worst attitudes.When we've seen and dealt with nice contractors/federal workers on base, I always ask if they were military, and without exception they were. The several times I've asked the dicks if they were military, they always say no. There is an attitude that those who are there for a dang paycheck(civy union dicks), so don't you dare inconvenience them, have and the genuine niceness and sense of duty and honor the former military have. The saddest thing is that these union POS treat the servicemen and their families worse than anyone and they have to put up with it and the union scum know it. Helping my daughter navigate the bureaucracy of the Army system has been enlightening. Our soldiers deserve so much more than these government union dicks that run the system-healthcare or any other.
Oh yea, we're just a bunch of lazy do-nothings that suck away your precious tax dollars. BWAHAHHAHAH. Sorry, but I'm not civil service. Independent contractor that has multoiple long-term contracts withj the Air Force to maintain their network infrastructure and security. My father served in WW2, my brother served in Vietnam, my other brother did an Iraq tour. Did you serve, or do you only hunker down there with your "I wanna be Rambo" arms in Arizons waiting for the next invasion by our Federal Govt.?
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462319
Hm, funny how my wife and I were talking the other day about military contractors. We have noticed here at Ft Huachuca that soldiers and former/retired military contractors are the nicest people and you can always tell the civilian contractors and bureaucrats-be they security guards or hospital personnel because they are the laziest and have the worst attitudes.When we've seen and dealt with nice contractors/federal workers on base, I always ask if they were military, and without exception they were. The several times I've asked the dicks if they were military, they always say no. There is an attitude that those who are there for a dang paycheck(civy union dicks), so don't you dare inconvenience them, have and the genuine niceness and sense of duty and honor the former military have. The saddest thing is that these union POS treat the servicemen and their families worse than anyone and they have to put up with it and the union scum know it. Helping my daughter navigate the bureaucracy of the Army system has been enlightening. Our soldiers deserve so much more than these government union dicks that run the system-healthcare or any other.
Oh yea, we're just a bunch of lazy do-nothings that suck away your precious tax dollars. BWAHAHHAHAH. Sorry, but I'm not civil service. Independent contractor that has multoiple long-term contracts withj the Air Force to maintain their network infrastructure and security. My father served in WW2, my brother served in Vietnam, my other brother did an Iraq tour. Did you serve, or do you only hunker down there with your "I wanna be Rambo" arms in Arizons waiting for the next invasion by our Federal Govt.?
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462268
no he didnt...he just makes a living by contracting out and doing work at military bases. he will be quick to explain to you the amount of incompetant military personnel he runs into and a bunch of other crap anyone that has ever served or grown up in a military family will see right through.
bionic is a closet military hater.
Only the hater of the incompetent officers that sit around shuffling papers all day at their desk waiting to get their 20 years so they can get full retirement. I'll ask you like I asked mantis, did you serve? Try working at a military facility for over 20 years like I have. It's a real eye opener when you see how your tax dollars are wasted.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous#post_3462268
no he didnt...he just makes a living by contracting out and doing work at military bases. he will be quick to explain to you the amount of incompetant military personnel he runs into and a bunch of other crap anyone that has ever served or grown up in a military family will see right through.
bionic is a closet military hater.
Only the hater of the incompetent officers that sit around shuffling papers all day at their desk waiting to get their 20 years so they can get full retirement. I'll ask you like I asked mantis, did you serve? Try working at a military facility for over 20 years like I have. It's a real eye opener when you see how your tax dollars are wasted.
mantisman51
Active Member
Dang, some people need to learn comprehension, as well as basic reading.