And you thought your insurance increase was ridiculous?

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/20#post_3462755
On your cushy little salary!!!!!!! Ohhhhh that's right your not overpaid.....but are military men and women are!!!!!! Get a grip!!!!!
That other statement you made.....I had 2 guys over in Germany on Christmas Day.....Sounds just like one of those "typical" "worthless" officers your bad mouthing there my friend........Ohhhh why weren't you there.....Ohhhh cause I'm in charge, send someone else to do the dirty work....Just like those "worthless officers" you so easily bashed......
Have you looked lately at what a Colonel with 25 years makes in salary? Dude, I been over there myself multiple times on holidays and months at a time. Just depends on the expertise required.
Sounds like many of you are armchair military wannabes, and don't have a clue how certain military operations work. Like I said, how things are structured between the various military branches are vast. You should hear some of the comments I hear from Army and Marine personnel stationed in Iraq that say about the cushy jobs the Air Force staff have. You don't see Air Force Seargents patrolling Kabul in a Humvee. Like I said, I have individuals in my location that have 10+ years in the Air Force, and they haven't done one single tour in the Middle East. They go over there on short jaunts like I do, but none of them stay for extended periods of time. That's because they have specialized training, and are assigned to special units because of it. I don't see anyone lambasting them because of the service they provide, or because they don't fall in line with what you term "boots on the ground".
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/20#post_3462688
Ok, now that I have had time to read the daily comic strip, I can properly respond.
Oh, and the 6 figure a year income. I am sure most enlisted and officers would trade salaries and benefits with you. As you stated, you send others on many occasions as well. If that isn't Haliburton mentallity. You used to rag onn Journeyman for his overseas contractor work in Iraq. Yet here you are, bragging about doing the very same thing. and collecting a nice salary off it, far more than the average citizen.Hypocrite much?
the difference that you fail to grasp is we don't belittle the military personnel. We don't feel they should lose the benefits the were promised when they agreed to serve the country in what ever fashion the government tells them to. You can also walk away at anytime with out reprecussions on a prison level. The Military personnel you claim to be so akin to, can not. They MUST serve their tour of duty. THEY must ship overseas if told. You, can hire someone else to go in your stead, and often do...as you have stated here in the past.
1. I didn't say they would be fine. However, recent history has proven this statement to be correct. The auto industry, bailed out. Still Filed bamkruptsy afterwards. Now back stronger than ever. So apparently the bankruptsy filing did make them stronger and things are fine in that industry. Or are you going to argue otherwise?
Please make a point. This entire paragraph is unclear and rambling. Pick a subject matter and stay on it and you might be able to get a response rather than look like a rambling hippie that just got their medical prescription card.
It looks like you support repeated bailouts of a company, but want to increase their taxes....Yet if a company constantly operates at a loss they pay no taxes....what is your point? And you want to continue bailing out a company every quarter that does not pay taxes? What are you saying here?
You sit here and whine about bail outs, and supposrt keeping the Bush Tax cuts in place for the ultra-wealthy because of some presumption they'll use that money to invest in their businesses. I say that's completely untrue.
GE is a multi-billion corporation that paid literally no taxes. They didn't receive a bail out. Yet people on the Right just call that "capitalism".
When did GM and Chrysler file for bankruptcy after the bailout?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/20#post_3462478
Dude you have no clue......Regardless officer or not, they earn what they got.....I usually don't chime into these threads, but your clueless.....You look at what these guys earn......Take into account "they" technically aren't working a 9-5 job such as yourself.....These military individuals are working 24/7 365 days a year to safe guard your candy little rear......
Yes I do take it personal when someone who hasn't laced up a pair of boots, and had rounds sent down range on them speak out their butt......I guess your not over paid military contractor

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/20#post_3462688
Ok, now that I have had time to read the daily comic strip, I can properly respond.
Oh, and the 6 figure a year income. I am sure most enlisted and officers would trade salaries and benefits with you. As you stated, you send others on many occasions as well. If that isn't Haliburton mentallity. You used to rag onn Journeyman for his overseas contractor work in Iraq. Yet here you are, bragging about doing the very same thing. and collecting a nice salary off it, far more than the average citizen.Hypocrite much?
the difference that you fail to grasp is we don't belittle the military personnel. We don't feel they should lose the benefits the were promised when they agreed to serve the country in what ever fashion the government tells them to. You can also walk away at anytime with out reprecussions on a prison level. The Military personnel you claim to be so akin to, can not. They MUST serve their tour of duty. THEY must ship overseas if told. You, can hire someone else to go in your stead, and often do...as you have stated here in the past.
1. I didn't say they would be fine. However, recent history has proven this statement to be correct. The auto industry, bailed out. Still Filed bamkruptsy afterwards. Now back stronger than ever. So apparently the bankruptsy filing did make them stronger and things are fine in that industry. Or are you going to argue otherwise?
Please make a point. This entire paragraph is unclear and rambling. Pick a subject matter and stay on it and you might be able to get a response rather than look like a rambling hippie that just got their medical prescription card.
It looks like you support repeated bailouts of a company, but want to increase their taxes....Yet if a company constantly operates at a loss they pay no taxes....what is your point? And you want to continue bailing out a company every quarter that does not pay taxes? What are you saying here?
You said:
Oh, and the 6 figure a year income. I am sure most enlisted and officers would trade salaries and benefits with you. As you stated, you send others on many occasions as well. If that isn't Haliburton mentallity. You used to rag onn Journeyman for his overseas contractor work in Iraq. Yet here you are, bragging about doing the very same thing. and collecting a nice salary off it, far more than the average citizen.Hypocrite much?
the difference that you fail to grasp is we don't belittle the military personnel. We don't feel they should lose the benefits the were promised when they agreed to serve the country in what ever fashion the government tells them to. You can also walk away at anytime with out reprecussions on a prison level. The Military personnel you claim to be so akin to, can not. They MUST serve their tour of duty. THEY must ship overseas if told. You, can hire someone else to go in your stead, and often do...as you have stated here in the past.
Yes they do, and during that 8 year committment, they get free room and board, free education, free medical, and a clothing stipend. Practically all their expenses are paid, and they get a salary as well. Granted, I will be the first to say the non-comps are the most overworked and underpaid individuals on this planet. I would NEVER discredit any of those individuals for their hard work and committment. I can also say the same for a multitude of hard-working officers that go beyong the call of duty for their service for our country. But for others, their personal sacrifices don't equate to the benefits they receive. They were just fortunate to select a career path that kept them out of harms way, and allows them to get the same perks as one of those individuals you see on the news working their butts off over in Afghanistan.
 
reefraff

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So exactly what is the complaint over GE having a year where they didn't owe taxes? If they had enough losses they didn't turn a profit they shouldn't pay taxes.
 
jerthunter

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So exactly what is the complaint over GE having a year where they didn't owe taxes? If they had enough losses they didn't turn a profit they shouldn't pay taxes.
Don't scare me like that. I read GE had losses and I about fell out of my chair.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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When did GM and Chrysler file for bankruptcy after the bailout?
 
Lets address this first. Since it is the easiest. I will address the rest later.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/01/news/companies/gm_bankruptcy/
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/30/news/companies/chrysler_bankruptcy/index.htm
Guess it wasn't big enough news for you to read.
 
jerthunter

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There were a lot of companies with losses the last few years.
 
Yes but not GE... I know it isn't the topic of this thread but saying GE didn't pay taxes due to not making a profit is like saying the sky is red.
 
deton8it

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/40#post_3462807
Sounds like many of you are armchair military wannabes, and don't have a clue how certain military operations work. Like I said, how things are structured between the various military branches are vast. You should hear some of the comments I hear from Army and Marine personnel stationed in Iraq that say about the cushy jobs the Air Force staff have. You don't see Air Force Seargents patrolling Kabul in a Humvee. Like I said, I have individuals in my location that have 10+ years in the Air Force, and they haven't done one single tour in the Middle East. They go over there on short jaunts like I do, but none of them stay for extended periods of time. That's because they have specialized training, and are assigned to special units because of it. I don't see anyone lambasting them because of the service they provide, or because they don't fall in line with what you term "boots on the ground".
I was going to stay out of this for a while but the time has come.
Really dude? Let me educate you. As an AIR FORCE EOD technician (if you don't know what that is then look it up), I spent 178 days in Afghanistan in '07, I PCS'd (Permanent Change of Station therefor no deployment) in 08, 180 days in Iraq in '09, 187 in Afghanistan in '10/11. Those are my most recent deployments. I also have 1 other OIF deployment and 2 DATA MASKED deployments since 2004. Although MOST of the Air Force aren't out doing the "outside the wire mission" some of us are. Don't get on your high horse unless you have all of the facts straight. YES some AFSC's don't deploy much, if at all. There is no need for a ICBM technician in Iraq or Afghanistan. There are others (like myself) that live in the Middle East and visit our families in the States. I have been assigned to US Army, Navy, and Marine Corp units, all while wearing the USAF uniform.
My career filed makes up ~0.38% of the Air Force. We also make up ~ 25% of the USAF KIA's.
I/ WE are the "boots on the ground"
If you want more info or facts feel free to PM me or challenge my facts. The ball is in your court.
John- out
 
jerthunter

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Didn't5 make profits in the USA. Better?
No, not necessarily better since it is still an incorrect statement. GE is a publically traded company so any information you might want to look up on them is basically just waiting for you to look.
But the point, I think, in bringing up GEs low us income tax rate is that show that the government giving money to or helping out various big business isn't a new isolated thing. The US has 'bailed out' or helped many different companies long before they basically purchased GM and Chrysler.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Deton8it http:///t/390762/and-you-thought-your-insurance-increase-was-ridiculous/40#post_3462952
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I was going to stay out of this for a while but the time has come.
Really dude? Let me educate you. As an AIR FORCE EOD technician (if you don't know what that is then look it up), I spent 178 days in Afghanistan in '07, I PCS'd (Permanent Change of Station therefor no deployment) in 08, 180 days in Iraq in '09, 187 in Afghanistan in '10/11. Those are my most recent deployments. I also have 1 other OIF deployment and 2 DATA MASKED deployments since 2004. Although MOST of the Air Force aren't out doing the "outside the wire mission" some of us are. Don't get on your high horse unless you have all of the facts straight. YES some AFSC's don't deploy much, if at all. There is no need for a ICBM technician in Iraq or Afghanistan. There are others (like myself) that live in the Middle East and visit our families in the States. I have been assigned to US Army, Navy, and Marine Corp units, all while wearing the USAF uniform.
My career filed makes up ~0.38% of the Air Force. We also make up ~ 25% of the USAF KIA's.
I/ WE are the "boots on the ground"
If you want more info or facts feel free to PM me or challenge my facts. The ball is in your court.
John- out
That's the career path you chose in the Air Force. I guess you like blowing things up. Your choice. But of course anyone that chooses that specific tech school is almost 100% assured to be deployed. What percentage of newbies fresh out of Randolph are signing up for EOD Tech School these days?
 
deton8it

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My point is, don't assume that the Air Force doesn't deploy much. There are a lot of Airmen deployed performing outside the wire missions. I used my career field as an example. As for how many are signing up, I don't know or care. A few years ago recruiter's were signing people up for EOD because 1 EOD student counted for 2 of their quota.
 
darthtang aw

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Yes they do, and during that 8 year committment, they get free room and board, free education, free medical, and a clothing stipend.  Practically all their expenses are paid, and they get a salary as well.  Granted, I will be the first to say the non-comps are the most overworked and underpaid individuals on this planet.  I would NEVER discredit any of those individuals for their hard work and committment.  I can also say the same for a multitude of hard-working officers that go beyong the call of duty for their service for our country.  But for others, their personal sacrifices don't equate to the benefits they receive.  They were just fortunate to select a career path that kept them out of harms way, and allows them to get the same perks as one of those individuals you see on the news working their butts off over in Afghanistan.
Korean War...31% of active duty troops served in the war.
Vietnam era, 39% of all active duty served in southeast asia.
Iraq/afghanistan......70% of all active duty Marines have served , 55% of all active duty army. Navy is at 42% and 40% for air force. Even the coast guard has sent 5% of their total.
Of those percentages, you are telling me, the others that have not served do not deserve the benefits granted to them upon signing over their life for X amount of years? Only This percentage deserves those benefits?
 
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