animal abuse

[darknes]

I remember watching something on TV about a specialty in some eastern country: The chef takes a live fish, seasons and cooks it as fast as possible, and brings it to the table. The fish has to still be alive when it arrives at the table, and they show a video of the people picking the flesh off the fish while it's still moving.

 

[jtrzerocool]

i watched a video made over in japan where they grabbed a live fish out of a tank and the chef filet it still alive. the worst part of it was that he put it back in the tank and it was swimming around.

 

[royal gang]

Originally Posted by Darknes
I remember watching something on TV about a specialty in some eastern country: The chef takes a live fish, seasons and cooks it as fast as possible, and brings it to the table. The fish has to still be alive when it arrives at the table, and they show a video of the people picking the flesh off the fish while it's still moving.
That HAS TO be nerves, otherwise the fish couldn't be cooked right, and that leads to diseases...

 

[ophiura]

I am not supporting this at all but you do have to understand the context of American's looking at how things work elsewhere. Just like in some parts of the world, they eat dogs and cats, and it is normal. You have to understand that people see animals in different ways and in their mind there is no suffering because, well, there just isn't. They don't perhaps associate those "emotions" to animals. And frankly it is not right or wrong, it is just different. You can condemn people all you want, but in their mind there is nothing wrong.
Some of this is westernized "superiority." I know that people won't like that. But please understand what I am trying to explain. I consider it horrific and unnecessary - it makes me quite ill, but I can't really judge those people who do it by the standards that I have raised as a westerner.
You do realize how in many other areas of the world, human life is not all that valuable. People are killed or punished in horrific ways...and so animals get equal treatment in some respects.
Now there is nothing wrong with discouraging inhumane practices in slaughter, etc, but I do hope people will consider that the real issues are those of perspective and are relative. It can be a mistake to look at issues without considering other perspectives...often you don't change minds by being (by outward appearance) judgmental.
Again, I don't condone any of this...but it is important to understand the differences in culture.

 

[lazypinoy]

Originally Posted by ophiura
I am not supporting this at all but you do have to understand the context of American's looking at how things work elsewhere. Just like in some parts of the world, they eat dogs and cats, and it is normal. You have to understand that people see animals in different ways and in their mind there is no suffering because, well, there just isn't. They don't perhaps associate those "emotions" to animals. And frankly it is not right or wrong, it is just different. You can condemn people all you want, but in their mind there is nothing wrong.
Some of this is westernized "superiority." I know that people won't like that. But please understand what I am trying to explain. I consider it horrific and unnecessary - it makes me quite ill, but I can't really judge those people who do it by the standards that I have raised as a westerner.
You do realize how in many other areas of the world, human life is not all that valuable. People are killed or punished in horrific ways...and so animals get equal treatment in some respects.
Now there is nothing wrong with discouraging inhumane practices in slaughter, etc, but I do hope people will consider that the real issues are those of perspective and are relative. It can be a mistake to look at issues without considering other perspectives...often you don't change minds by being (by outward appearance) judgmental.
Again, I don't condone any of this...but it is important to understand the differences in culture.
you couldnt have said it better.

 

[nietzsche]

all were doing is expressing our feelings about how we feel about these things, not starting a militia to invade countries

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
all were doing is expressing our feelings about how we feel about these things, not starting a militia to invade countries

Yes, and we are all allowed to participate in that, if I am not mistaken.
BTW, EVERYONE: this is a heated topic. Please watch the language. There have been several edits and deletions due to language.

 

[thereefer9]

Originally Posted by LazyPinoy
"psychopaths" hehe i got your back reefer.
good one lol

 

[k-rok]

One internet video comes to mind of a couple skate-boarders beating the tar out of an innocent dog with their boards. The dog was just sitting there watching them and they started hitting it in the head - and hard. All it could do was stumble over into a corner and fall over as the boys continued to hit it and laugh. People make me sick - so cruel.
As for the people in other countries who may not know any better or may not care thats still uncalled for. Seems like it would take more effort to torture an animal than to kill it quickly. God put these animals here for us to use not abuse.

 

[royal gang]

Originally Posted by ophiura
Yes, and we are all allowed to participate in that, if I am not mistaken.
BTW, EVERYONE: this is a heated topic. Please watch the language. There have been several edits and deletions due to language.
Yeah... -.-

 

[ric maniac]

Originally Posted by ophiura
I am not supporting this at all but you do have to understand the context of American's looking at how things work elsewhere. Just like in some parts of the world, they eat dogs and cats, and it is normal. You have to understand that people see animals in different ways and in their mind there is no suffering because, well, there just isn't. They don't perhaps associate those "emotions" to animals. And frankly it is not right or wrong, it is just different. You can condemn people all you want, but in their mind there is nothing wrong.
Some of this is westernized "superiority." I know that people won't like that. But please understand what I am trying to explain. I consider it horrific and unnecessary - it makes me quite ill, but I can't really judge those people who do it by the standards that I have raised as a westerner.
You do realize how in many other areas of the world, human life is not all that valuable. People are killed or punished in horrific ways...and so animals get equal treatment in some respects.
Now there is nothing wrong with discouraging inhumane practices in slaughter, etc, but I do hope people will consider that the real issues are those of perspective and are relative. It can be a mistake to look at issues without considering other perspectives...often you don't change minds by being (by outward appearance) judgmental.
Again, I don't condone any of this...but it is important to understand the differences in culture.
i like that statement! im not being mean to them, but its the slaughter houses here in america that i dont particularly like. i watched another one about a turkey place that was being investigated by an undercover person. the employees would use the live turkeys as punching bags, they would reach into the LIVE turkeys and pull out eggs just so that they could have an egg fight. they even put a turkey behind a tire just to watch its head pop. this is the kind of stuff i dont like.

 

[ophiura]

And you shouldn't...if they named the company that does it, then I would certainly not buy anything from them, and I would let everyone know about it.

 

[wingzfan]

That's absolutely terrible. Come on... at least kill it before you skin it.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by ophiura
I am not supporting this at all but you do have to understand the context of American's looking at how things work elsewhere. Just like in some parts of the world, they eat dogs and cats, and it is normal. You have to understand that people see animals in different ways and in their mind there is no suffering because, well, there just isn't. They don't perhaps associate those "emotions" to animals. And frankly it is not right or wrong, it is just different. You can condemn people all you want, but in their mind there is nothing wrong.
Some of this is westernized "superiority." I know that people won't like that. But please understand what I am trying to explain. I consider it horrific and unnecessary - it makes me quite ill, but I can't really judge those people who do it by the standards that I have raised as a westerner.
While there are a couple of different issues being raised here... dogs/cats, slaughterhouses, gorillas, etc. However with respect to the gorilla article I posted, I disagree with your point. There are only about 700 of these animals left in the world. Africa is doing everything possible to protect these animals but it is the random acts of violence that can damage the future of the species as a whole. One of the articles mentioned that over 100 African people have died in the protection effort. This is not a part of their culture, however with the animals living on preserves that span hundreds or thousands of square miles, they simply cannot prevent this crime all of the time.

 

[ric maniac]

Originally Posted by ophiura
And you shouldn't...if they named the company that does it, then I would certainly not buy anything from them, and I would let everyone know about it.
it was shut down a while ago, and i hate the way turkey tastes anyway so i didnt eat it before.

 

[ric maniac]

Originally Posted by crimzy
While there are a couple of different issues being raised here... dogs/cats, slaughterhouses, gorillas, etc. However with respect to the gorilla article I posted, I disagree with your point. There are only about 700 of these animals left in the world. Africa is doing everything possible to protect these animals but it is the random acts of violence that can damage the future of the species as a whole. One of the articles mentioned that over 100 African people have died in the protection effort. This is not a part of their culture, however with the animals living on preserves that span hundreds or thousands of square miles, they simply cannot prevent this crime all of the time.
i agree, if it is an endangered animal there is no reason for it to be happening. even the "they dont know better" excuse doesnt work for me on that one.

 

[ophiura]

In the case of the gorilla's, they most definitely know that it will get the attention of people. that is why they do it.

 

[microview]

As we are essentially at the top of the food chain because of our brains, let's us them. "Culture" does NOT excuse the torturing or abusing of life (no matter whether it is animal or human). We have the responsibility to be stewards of our environment both big (the world) and small (our reef tanks). Abuse is abuse no matter how you look at it. It is wrong and makes me disgusted. You cannot justify it.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by crimzy
While there are a couple of different issues being raised here... dogs/cats, slaughterhouses, gorillas, etc. However with respect to the gorilla article I posted, I disagree with your point. There are only about 700 of these animals left in the world. Africa is doing everything possible to protect these animals but it is the random acts of violence that can damage the future of the species as a whole. One of the articles mentioned that over 100 African people have died in the protection effort. This is not a part of their culture, however with the animals living on preserves that span hundreds or thousands of square miles, they simply cannot prevent this crime all of the time.

The gorilla issue is "eco terrorism" and is a quite different. They are being killed because they know it will get the attention of people, and of the west as well. There are many different facets to these sort of animal issues.
As you read that article first you are struck that it is a violent area...don't overlook the quote:
"Even the rangers—who live in a country where more than 4 million people may have been killed in factional fighting in the last decade—were shaken."
4 million people in that area...and the headline is the gorillas.
There is a major industry in the area, that brings in a lot of money to various sects and probably warlords. And one problem...one big stumbling block, are the gorillas.
So if you kill them off, then - problem solved. But it also is a very good way to call attention to their situation as well. One sure to get the attention of the west when the death of 4 million people does not.
These are complex and varied issues. I'm not going to say that I think it is fine they are doing this. It is terrible, tragic, all the rest. But these are not cases of simple animal cruelty. They are much much deeper and if we can't see that, there will be no solution.
Warlords don't give a rip about animal cruelty. I am sure they would laugh in the face of anyone who was crying about it. In fact, the killings may be just that, a terrible "HA HA."
Nothing would justify these killings, or make them right (eating them, selling them...nothing). But the cruelty against the apes is just the tip of the iceberg in the region. The real issues need to be addressed to stop these killings, IMO.

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Microview
As we are essentially at the top of the food chain because of our brains, let's us them. "Culture" does NOT excuse the torturing or abusing of life (no matter whether it is animal or human). We have the responsibility to be stewards of our environment both big (the world) and small (our reef tanks). Abuse is abuse no matter how you look at it. It is wrong and makes me disgusted. You cannot justify it.

word, but there's just a flaw to that. i understand you mean that because it's culture doesnt make it an excuse to kill and torture animals, but we're not that culture--in that culture it may be okay, but from what I see, if many people feel like the rangers did, then the majority of that country thinks its not right to be doing it. i understand ophiura saying it's okay because we're not them, but it doesn't mean WE should be okay with it just because it's their culture. there's a difference between doing something and saying something, and were just saying something. i strongly feel that it's just bad to be doing this to animals just to get publicity. what didthe animals ever do to them