Ann Coulter

[hattrick58]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Thats just Ann Coulter being Ann Coulter. A lot of these people just throw crap out there to see what sticks.
Yeah, but most of it is to stir the pot and, more importantly, to keep her in the public eye. She loves being a message board topic.

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Curious why Ann Coulter and not Al Franken?
It is possibly due to some bias on my part or just plain ignorance, but I've never heard Al Franken or any of the typical figureheads for the fart left say anything similar to this. I feel certain if they said anything approximating "jews should be christians" (or insert whatever racial or cultural group in those spots you like... I guess you could consider extreme conservatives some sort of cultural group and in that case I'm sure you could find some stupid stuff, but that's clearly missing the point.
Anyway, I just hope people appreciate her for how ridiculous she is. My concern is that some people listen to her nonsense. Even when she's making a good point (and it's not that terribly rare), she's just not a terribly nice person, and clearly dismisses The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts".

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by itom37
It is possibly due to some bias on my part or just plain ignorance, but I've never heard Al Franken or any of the typical figureheads for the fart left say anything similar to this. I feel certain if they said anything approximating "jews should be christians" (or insert whatever racial or cultural group in those spots you like... I guess you could consider extreme conservatives some sort of cultural group and in that case I'm sure you could find some stupid stuff, but that's clearly missing the point.
Anyway, I just hope people appreciate her for how ridiculous she is. My concern is that some people listen to her nonsense. Even when she's making a good point (and it's not that terribly rare), she's just not a terribly nice person, and clearly dismisses The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts".
Come on itom. Are you serious? "General Betray us" sound familliar? How about the insults they level against Orielly and Limbaugh almost daily. These two have been able to substantiate everything they say with facts. Liberals even eat their own. How about the Joe Lieberman cartoon. Seen it? The left routinely smears conservatives. How many Hollywood conservatives have you heard of? Check out move on .org. Full of personal attacks on conservatives.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Come on itom. Are you serious? "General Betray us" sound familliar? How about the insults they level against Orielly and Limbaugh almost daily. These two have been able to substantiate everything they say with facts. Liberals even eat their own. How about the Joe Lieberman cartoon. Seen it? The left routinely smears conservatives. How many Hollywood conservatives have you heard of? Check out move on .org. Full of personal attacks on conservatives.
Insults aimed at individuals is not the same as insults aimed at a whole group of people. If I was Jewish I'd be very offended by her remarks, it was a very tasteless and classless thing to say.
I am curious, is that the general consensus amoung the far right wing? Note, this is not an accusation, it is a question.

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Insults aimed at individuals is not the same as insults aimed at a whole group of people. If I was Jewish I'd be very offended by her remarks, it was a very tasteless and classless thing to say.
I am curious, is that the general consensus amoung the far right wing? Note, this is not an accusation, it is a question.
Kind of like the remark made on Desperate Housewives that aired on September 30, 2007. What network runs this show? Considering that most of the media is liberal the same question regarding consensus could be made about the left since it occurs more often on this side.

 

[skipperdz]

its sad to see these very conservative, and very liberal, well educated people, get caught saying what they really feel. regardless of whether they are political figures, celebs or whatever. we arent happy when they b.s. us and when they finally say what they mean our jaws drop.

 

[jovial]

Good point.

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Come on itom. Are you serious? "General Betray us" sound familliar? How about the insults they level against Orielly and Limbaugh almost daily. These two have been able to substantiate everything they say with facts. Liberals even eat their own. How about the Joe Lieberman cartoon. Seen it? The left routinely smears conservatives. How many Hollywood conservatives have you heard of? Check out move on .org. Full of personal attacks on conservatives.
I am not unaware of political banter/nonsense, liberal or conservative biases in media or elsewhere, or political smear campaigns based on fact or absolute fiction. (I am unaware of the liberman cartoon... I'll google it.) I think in my question I specifically mentioned that attacks on the far right might CLEARLY MISS THE POINT! I could care less if Ann Coulter makes fun of John Edwards' haircut (it just shows her poor taste and mean spirited nature). I doubt he would find it prudent or within the boundaries of appropriate public (or private, for that matter) discourse to call her anything of the sort. If any person, regardless of political inclinations, uses their stage to marginalize a race of people, a religion (any religion... at all), or a culture as Coulter did (and does, and will keep doing of course) then that person does not get much my respect.
Of course I know that people on the fringe of political relevance on the far left take jabs at those on the other side of the spectrum. You're surely aware that the far right is hardly reserved in its treatment of the left in the same regard. Unless you mean to equate Jew with liberal, that's all simply irrelevant. Whether or not you think people should hold their tongues in such settings regarding cultural and racial sensitivity, and whether or not you agree with those statements, it's simply a poor logical step to equate the sqibbling of the left and the right with statements about whether or not a religion, race, and culture should exist.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Kind of like the remark made on Desperate Housewives that aired on September 30, 2007. What network runs this show? Considering that most of the media is liberal the same question regarding consensus could be made about the left since it occurs more often.
Ok...give me instances where the left wing attacked a religion and suggusted we'd be better off if they became christains? Give me examples where they attacked a certain group of people...not interested where they went after individuals...unless you think there is a trend where they are going after certain types of people?
And you never answered my question, does the far right christain agree with her comments?

 

[jovial]

Unless the person saying it is in a position of leadership I consider anything said by them to be an opinion and without influence to those who think. Who really cares what they say. Ann Coulter or Jane Fonda have about as much influence in the real world as the branches on Charlie Browns Christmas tree.

 

[skipperdz]

Beats me im a conservative HEATHEN

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Getting off topic, but has anyone else ever noticed that she has an adam's apple?
She's got a weird look going on... it's semi-hot in an inappropriate for these boards kinda way, semi-horse thing going on.

 

[petjunkie]

She's got an interesting point of view, that's for sure and the balls to say it! I don't agree with her at all but I enjoy the fact that she doesn't cesure herself and stands behind it no matter how off-the-wall, most celebrities/politicians caught in a scandal make a huge public apology and pretend they didn't mean it. She just doesn't care or likes the attention.

 

[itom37]

Originally Posted by petjunkie
She's got an interesting point of view, that's for sure and the balls to say it! I don't agree with her at all but I enjoy the fact that she doesn't cesure herself and stands behind it no matter how off-the-wall, most celebrities/politicians caught in a scandal make a huge public apology and pretend they didn't mean it. She just doesn't care or likes the attention.
There's something we can all agree on!

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Ok...give me instances where the left wing attacked a religion and suggusted we'd be better off if they became christains? Give me examples where they attacked a certain group of people...not interested where they went after individuals...unless you think there is a trend where they are going after certain types of people?
And you never answered my question, does the far right christain agree with her comments?
Easy, since you asked.
Christianity is under constant attack in this country. One could easily fill this page with examples. The intolerance has manifested itself into more of a literal form today. But for now lets start with these:
- "Corporations pay public relations firms millions of dollars to contrive the kind of grass-roots response that Falwell or Pat Robertson can galvanize in a televised sermon. Their followers are largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command." (Washington Post reporter Michael Weisskopf, February 1 1993.)
- "Over-population is the 'cause of drive-by shootings' and other social ills, but the root of the problem is Christianity, which posits that people are more important than sea otters and elephants." ( Ted Turner p. 26. National Review . June 8, 1992.)
- In March 1998, The ACLU put pressure on the small town of Republic, Missouri to remove a fish symbol from its official logo, calling it a "secret sign of Christianity."
- Heres a good one. "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that, I'm right, and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus." (John Lennon)
I apologize for not answering. Must have missed it the question. Have no idea what the far right Christian agrees with. What defines a far right Christian?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Ok...give me instances where the left wing attacked a religion and suggusted we'd be better off if they became christains? Give me examples where they attacked a certain group of people...not interested where they went after individuals...unless you think there is a trend where they are going after certain types of people?
And you never answered my question, does the far right christain agree with her comments?
That's kind of silly, as those on the far left oppose Christianity. Why would they suggest anyone become one?
The "left" attacks Christianity on a regular basis. As Christianity is a religion I'd say the sudden outrage of a right wing author attacking a religion is somewhat hypocritical.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Insults aimed at individuals is not the same as insults aimed at a whole group of people. If I was Jewish I'd be very offended by her remarks, it was a very tasteless and classless thing to say.
I am curious, is that the general consensus amoung the far right wing? Note, this is not an accusation, it is a question.
If you read the entire transcript you see the point she was trying to make. Did she word it incredibly insulting? Yep. Was she correct in saying Christians believe Christ was the fulfillment of the OT law? Yup.

 

[reefraff]

If anyone but Ann Coulter said that it would be no big deal. If you ask a member of any religion if they think the world would be a better place if the world was all a member of their religion and they didn't answer yes they are either a liar or a fool. If you truely believe in your religion you would have to think the world would be better off if everyone followed it's teachings. If you didn't believe that you are a fool for following the religion.
As far as hoping a jew would be "perfected", oh paleeeze! That is a common term among christians. Christianity teaches that the Jews are God's chosen people. People refer to those of the Jewish race that have embraced christianity as perfected. Donny boy needs to get his panties out of a bunch rather than feel insulted.
You want to feel insulted talk about the Mormon practice if Baptism for the dead. That takes not taking no for an answer to a whole new extreme

 

[fishycpa]

It is no anti-semetic to say "perfected Jew". Christian's love the Jews and are friends with them, I can say that as a Christian. Also, I have personally heard several Jews that have been saved under the Christian faith refer to themselves as "perfected". They have been to my church and school, highschool and college, multiple times. If you read or listen to any Jews that have become Christians, they will say this. What Anne says sounds really bad, I admit that, but she was just sharing Christian jargon, which is in no way meant to offensive to the Jews. I am in no way trying to argue, just trying to fan some of the smoke away so you can get a little clearer view, don't know if it helps, but...anyway.

 

[fishycpa]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Was she correct in saying Christians believe Christ was the fulfillment of the OT law? Yup.
Perfect example, the word "perfected" just means "to bring to final form" by Websters. Christians simplly believe that in the New Testament that Christ did come to earth to fulfill his promise. Jews do not believe the New Testament as part of the finished Bible, and are therfore still awaiting Christ's 1st coming. Therefore, a "perfected Jew" is one that believes that Christ's promise was fulfilled and is in "final form". Not offensive, just vocabulary.