another newbie question.
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cannonman
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You may end up with problems moving LS from another tank depending on a number of factors including the health of the tank it's coming from, how deep of a bed, stirring an established deep sand bed up might be cause for concern. It's only my opinion but I would start with new sand and seed it with a couple of pounds of sand from this tank, add the LR right away and give it a few days/couple of weeks and test the water, if it is stable then add the fish. On the other hand you might be fine doing it that way also, I always figure if you can avoid a risk in this hobby you should as it may save you unwanted problems.
moneylaw
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Thanks, Cannonman. The only problem is I want the LR with lots of coralline algae on it, and the only way to get it is from another established tank, but no one would sell just the LR since it will mess up the live stock in their tank, so I need to buy the whole package of LS, LR, and fishes together.
Does anyone has any expereince putting LS, LR and fishes from established tank into your tank at the same time?
Does anyone has any expereince putting LS, LR and fishes from established tank into your tank at the same time?
mommafishinmd
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Originally Posted by moneylaw
Thanks, Cannonman. The only problem is I want the LR with lots of coralline algae on it, and the only way to get it is from another established tank, but no one would sell just the LR since it will mess up the live stock in their tank, so I need to buy the whole package of LS, LR, and fishes together.
Does anyone has any expereince putting LS, LR and fishes from established tank into your tank at the same time?
We acquired our tank and all of our LS, LR, Coral and Fish from a friend. We had to move the tank so it all had to come out and back in. We did a quick reef clean to get rid of some flat worms, and we did not stir the LS and everything is coming out just fine. Nothing in the tank seems to be stressed except for one single coral. Our tank did not even cycle after the move; I guess because we used the same water and same supplies and tank we had no issues. But we have waited to put anything new in the tank. We are still waiting to see if it will cycle or spike. But I do not know much, I am a newbie! Just thought I would let you know it worked for us!
Thanks, Cannonman. The only problem is I want the LR with lots of coralline algae on it, and the only way to get it is from another established tank, but no one would sell just the LR since it will mess up the live stock in their tank, so I need to buy the whole package of LS, LR, and fishes together.
Does anyone has any expereince putting LS, LR and fishes from established tank into your tank at the same time?
We acquired our tank and all of our LS, LR, Coral and Fish from a friend. We had to move the tank so it all had to come out and back in. We did a quick reef clean to get rid of some flat worms, and we did not stir the LS and everything is coming out just fine. Nothing in the tank seems to be stressed except for one single coral. Our tank did not even cycle after the move; I guess because we used the same water and same supplies and tank we had no issues. But we have waited to put anything new in the tank. We are still waiting to see if it will cycle or spike. But I do not know much, I am a newbie! Just thought I would let you know it worked for us!
kilhullen
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Originally Posted by MommaFishinMD
We acquired our tank and all of our LS, LR, Coral and Fish from a friend. We had to move the tank so it all had to come out and back in. We did a quick reef clean to get rid of some flat worms, and we did not stir the LS and everything is coming out just fine. Nothing in the tank seems to be stressed except for one single coral. Our tank did not even cycle after the move; I guess because we used the same water and same supplies and tank we had no issues. But we have waited to put anything new in the tank. We are still waiting to see if it will cycle or spike. But I do not know much, I am a newbie! Just thought I would let you know it worked for us!
I am in the same boat, and find some concern with the idea of keeping the fish out of the tank for a week or two while you check for a spike. I understand what cannonman is saying, and respect it, but wonder if you are using everything that was in there, why would it spike? It is all the same chemical makeup.
I am supposed to pick up an established tank in the next week or two from a local high school science department.
I understand the concerns if it is a deep bed (some very toxic gasses can build up in the sand and all, and with moving that can be released, but what if you left just enough water to cover the sand, then removed that water and immediately added new water so the gasses would be removed also.
What is a quick reef clean, and how is it done?
We acquired our tank and all of our LS, LR, Coral and Fish from a friend. We had to move the tank so it all had to come out and back in. We did a quick reef clean to get rid of some flat worms, and we did not stir the LS and everything is coming out just fine. Nothing in the tank seems to be stressed except for one single coral. Our tank did not even cycle after the move; I guess because we used the same water and same supplies and tank we had no issues. But we have waited to put anything new in the tank. We are still waiting to see if it will cycle or spike. But I do not know much, I am a newbie! Just thought I would let you know it worked for us!
I am in the same boat, and find some concern with the idea of keeping the fish out of the tank for a week or two while you check for a spike. I understand what cannonman is saying, and respect it, but wonder if you are using everything that was in there, why would it spike? It is all the same chemical makeup.
I am supposed to pick up an established tank in the next week or two from a local high school science department.
I understand the concerns if it is a deep bed (some very toxic gasses can build up in the sand and all, and with moving that can be released, but what if you left just enough water to cover the sand, then removed that water and immediately added new water so the gasses would be removed also.
What is a quick reef clean, and how is it done?
mommafishinmd
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Originally Posted by Kilhullen
I am in the same boat, and find some concern with the idea of keeping the fish out of the tank for a week or two while you check for a spike. I understand what cannonman is saying, and respect it, but wonder if you are using everything that was in there, why would it spike? It is all the same chemical makeup.
I am supposed to pick up an established tank in the next week or two from a local high school science department.
I understand the concerns if it is a deep bed (some very toxic gasses can build up in the sand and all, and with moving that can be released, but what if you left just enough water to cover the sand, then removed that water and immediately added new water so the gasses would be removed also.
What is a quick reef clean, and how is it done?
Our tank was established for over a year before we got it. And we left the LS in with a layer of water and re-used the original water. They only thing we changed was how the LR was set up in the tank. We will do a 40% water change after we are happy with it not cycling or spiking. But like you I could not keep the fish out of the tank for 3- 6 weeks waiting for a spike.
A quick reef clean is a product bought at your lfs or online. You set you LR that has NO coral on it in a huge bucket of the product and fresh water for 10 mins and then you take it out and dunk it in fresh water. You can also use a soft bristle brush to knock off algae and other pest on the reef. We only did the lower layers of the LR though because we had well established coral’s on our top half.
I am in the same boat, and find some concern with the idea of keeping the fish out of the tank for a week or two while you check for a spike. I understand what cannonman is saying, and respect it, but wonder if you are using everything that was in there, why would it spike? It is all the same chemical makeup.
I am supposed to pick up an established tank in the next week or two from a local high school science department.
I understand the concerns if it is a deep bed (some very toxic gasses can build up in the sand and all, and with moving that can be released, but what if you left just enough water to cover the sand, then removed that water and immediately added new water so the gasses would be removed also.
What is a quick reef clean, and how is it done?
Our tank was established for over a year before we got it. And we left the LS in with a layer of water and re-used the original water. They only thing we changed was how the LR was set up in the tank. We will do a 40% water change after we are happy with it not cycling or spiking. But like you I could not keep the fish out of the tank for 3- 6 weeks waiting for a spike.
A quick reef clean is a product bought at your lfs or online. You set you LR that has NO coral on it in a huge bucket of the product and fresh water for 10 mins and then you take it out and dunk it in fresh water. You can also use a soft bristle brush to knock off algae and other pest on the reef. We only did the lower layers of the LR though because we had well established coral’s on our top half.
kilhullen
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Originally Posted by MommaFishinMD
Our tank was established for over a year before we got it. And we left the LS in with a layer of water and re-used the original water. They only thing we changed was how the LR was set up in the tank. We will do a 40% water change after we are happy with it not cycling or spiking. But like you I could not keep the fish out of the tank for 3- 6 weeks waiting for a spike.
A quick reef clean is a product bought at your lfs or online. You set you LR that has NO coral on it in a huge bucket of the product and fresh water for 10 mins and then you take it out and dunk it in fresh water. You can also use a soft bristle brush to knock off algae and other pest on the reef. We only did the lower layers of the LR though because we had well established coral’s on our top half.
Interesting. I will look into this. If it has been established for so long then all the hitchhikers are already out and established too, so you are not worried about killing them.
Not too sure how long this tank has been established, it should be at least 9 months but I think it is at least 2 years.
Our tank was established for over a year before we got it. And we left the LS in with a layer of water and re-used the original water. They only thing we changed was how the LR was set up in the tank. We will do a 40% water change after we are happy with it not cycling or spiking. But like you I could not keep the fish out of the tank for 3- 6 weeks waiting for a spike.
A quick reef clean is a product bought at your lfs or online. You set you LR that has NO coral on it in a huge bucket of the product and fresh water for 10 mins and then you take it out and dunk it in fresh water. You can also use a soft bristle brush to knock off algae and other pest on the reef. We only did the lower layers of the LR though because we had well established coral’s on our top half.
Interesting. I will look into this. If it has been established for so long then all the hitchhikers are already out and established too, so you are not worried about killing them.
Not too sure how long this tank has been established, it should be at least 9 months but I think it is at least 2 years.
kilhullen
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Originally Posted by moneylaw
Great info, but I am not taking the tank, filter or water with me, just LS and LR. I am just wondering whether it will have enough nitrifying bacteria attached to LS and LR so that I don't need to cycle my empty tank in advanced before getting those.
I have read a few people seeing a mini-cycle because of the bioload available already. Nothing too severe that a water change couldn't resolve, but this is not from personal experience.
Great info, but I am not taking the tank, filter or water with me, just LS and LR. I am just wondering whether it will have enough nitrifying bacteria attached to LS and LR so that I don't need to cycle my empty tank in advanced before getting those.
I have read a few people seeing a mini-cycle because of the bioload available already. Nothing too severe that a water change couldn't resolve, but this is not from personal experience.