another redundant light question

j-cal

Member
Currently I have 260 watts PC on my 55. Im getting rid of all my softies and LPS and sticking to only ricordia, mushrooms, anemones (LTA) and maybe zoos. Right not everything, especially my anemones are doing wonderfully. I think that I am going to upgrade to a 75 or 90 (more than likely a 90). I know that in a percet world i would just buy dual halides to go with my PCS and be done with it. Unfortunately that would cost me a lot of money and time and i am a college student i already over extend both of those. Plus for what its worth, I work at a LFS so i buy at wholesale prices and could just get another 260 watt PC for under a hundred dollars. I know watts per gallon is a bad way to measure light, but id have more wpg for me 90 than 55 if i did that. The bottom line is, do you think I will have continued success if I just go with more PC fixtures (thatd be 520 watts 4x act 4x 10k)
Justin
PS: they are the really nice ESU fixtures with built in cooling fans and such
 

j-cal

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I guess my question would be better phrased. If i have 260 watts PC over a 55 would 520 over a 90 be comparable?
 

squidd

Active Member
If the distance from light to sand bed is the same (same height tank) then the intensity directly below the lights should be similar.
However if the 90 is deeper (front to back) or wider (side to side) then there would be a corresponding decrease in intensity further from the light compared to your current setup.
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bigmac

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Originally posted by J-Cal
I guess my question would be better phrased. If i have 260 watts PC over a 55 would 520 over a 90 be comparable?

Everything you've suggested should do fine except for the anemones with the 260 watts you'll have in a 90.....9 times out of 10 it wont matter what light you have for the anemones, their going to die in a few months anyway regardless of the light...
Here's another way to look at your lighting question: You can keep sps in a 60 gal cube tank (24x24x24) under a 400 watt MH, they should do real well. You can keep sps in a 600 gal cube tank under a 400 watt MH as long as you keep the corals within that 24x24x24 inch range.
Twice the light in a tank twice the size is a much better deal.
 

j-cal

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I already have the anemones and they are doing great under my 260 watts pc in my 55. The shortest one ive had for 3 months and its growing like crazy showing good color and responds by grabbing most everything. I just want(ed) to know if 520 watts of pc over a 90 is comparable to 260 over a 55. To be honest 2 of mine were doing quite well for about 5 months under 130 watts before i upgraded my lighting. I think cohabitants, original speciman and temperature are much more important to anemone survival that people give them credit for. I wouldnt recommend people going out and getting one, but if you want to base your tank around them ratehr than the actual cohabitants its s fien plan and i think careful selection will definietely lead to long term success.
 

dillybobs

Member
This post as prompted me to wonder about my own lighting.
I have a 220 gallon tank 24" wide, 30" deep, 72" long.
I now have a pair of 110 watt 48", high output compact fluorescent lights (an all glass aqurium product) plus a 40 watt blue actinic light. My tank has been up for 7 months now and everything appears to be doing well. I have no corals at this time but will hopefully be purchacing some in the future.
Your thoughts please.
 

bigmac

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Its nice to hear your anemones are doing good of course 5 months can't really be considered a success. Like I already said, twice the light is much better on twice the tank size. I agree, If your going to do anemones you have to base the tank around them. People don't relize these thing move around and can sting or get stung by corals..
I'm sure you've read this
"A recent survey of reefkeepers conducted by Joyce Wilkerson found that among a couple hundred respondents only 5% of hobbyists with *2-5 years* of reefkeeping experience had managed to keep their anemone alive for 2 years or more (this survey was specific to the clownfish/anemone host species Entacmaea, Heteractis, Stiochodactyla, Macrodactyla & Cryptodendrum). That's not very encouraging is it? To make it worse, among hobbyists with less than 2 years of experience, nearly half of the anemones purchased were dead within 3 months -- overall only 1 in 13 anemones survived for 3 years or more and only 1 in 32 anemones survived for 5 or more years in captivity (which by most accounts is considered success in this hobby). Even if we consider 5 years to be a ripe old age for these animals in an aquarium (this is roughly the equivalent of considering rearing a human to 1 year as being a "success"), only 3% of anemones purchased ever make it to this age (and if you read Shane's article entitled Dawn of the Dead, you should begin to realize that only a small percentage of "difficult animals" even survive long enough to make it home into an aquarium). This survey included many highly experienced and profession reef keepers. If I remember correctly, Alf Nielson topped this list of experienced aquarists with 32 years of reef tank experience, and the other respondents included many of the people who write the aquarium texts that we all refer to when faced with some difficulty in our own aquarium. Let me reiterate this despite the general expertise of the people who participated in the survey, only 5% of people can keep an anemone alive for more that 2 years! That is pretty abysmal for an animal with a natural life span of hundreds of years; *especially* given that, according to Daphne Fautin (co-author of the popular book Anemone Fishes and their Host Sea Anemones), removal of these anemones and their clownfishes is causing serious changes in the natural communities that she studies (and I heard rumors that she has recently become an active advocate of trying to outlaw the collection and importation of anemones). In their book, Fautin and Allen mention that some populations they once studied in the Philippines have become extinct as a result of collection and the habitat destruction associated with dynamite/cyanide fishing"
 

j-cal

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yea ive read it. Thats why my ultimate goal is captive breeding. yea i know some lame friggin dude on swf.com being all like "yea i'm gonna breed anemones" thats what most people will say btu oh well thats my goal.
Bronco said a while back that hes trying to encourage spawning by changing flow rates on a timer to imitate tidal action. I plan on something similar but with moonlighting as well. If something happens great if not i learned that that is the incorrect method and can try something else. That is actually the reason that I am upgrading the tank size. I want more floor space and height to facilitate keeping a few more anemones since this species can get to be large. The added hieght also lets me stack up mroe rock for better filtration and such. For the past 9 months my first speciman has nearly tripled in size and regained all of is zooxanthella. Is 9 months success...hardly, but it is at least a step in the right direction. I know that my system is stable and decently adapted for keeping these alive, at least in this short term.
Is what im doing iresponsible? maybe, but they are getting taking out of the wild in massive numbers anyway. Without some people trying to do something about keeping them in captivity and reproducing them successfully. there will be a niche in the market that requires we take more and more out forever. At least im tryign something good, even if it fails. I KNOW that my anemones are growing and thriving under my current light, thats why i wanted similar lighting. I know what is working in my situation, and i didnt want to risk lights that were too bright or lights that were too dim. at least im trying with short term success. If i get poor survivability a year from now, then fine i was wrong, but im doingwell now and see no reason for them to start declining.
 
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