Anybody following the LHC? (Large Hadron Collider)

socal57che

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Some people say that if black holes are successfully produced that the earth itself could be devoured by it.
I don't think that will happen, but I do feel that we are playing with fire here. Eventually we are going to build something that wiil go terribly south and irreversibly wreck life as we know it. Here are a few reads on the topic.
http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...838947,00.html
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...nyt-classifier
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...lliders-start/
 
rebelprettyboy

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2752521
Some people say that if black holes are successfully produced that the earth itself could be devoured by it.
I don't think that will happen, but I do feel that we are playing with fire here. Eventually we are going to build something that wiil go terribly south and irreversibly wreck life as we know it. Here are a few reads on the topic.
http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...838947,00.html
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...nyt-classifier
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...lliders-start/
yup DOOMSDAY is coming in a few days once all the protons and what not get to lighting speed and collide!
But been tallking about it big time in my college Minerology/ Petrology/ Geology class. What if it did create a blackhole that be crazy. But I think we are tryin to do a little to much. Trying to find some "Higgs Brosons particles or whatever and some even smaller particles" that aint gonna help any in sceince
Dumb in a waste of money IMO. Waste that 20 billion on something else
 
1knight164

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Great articles. Heard about it on the news and sounds scary yet promising. I guess the scary part is the word "theoretical" which to me means they don't know what's going to happen, only what they expect to happen. I guess that's why they call it an experiment. Worse case scenario, life as we know it ends. Hmm... Best case scenario, we help answer the question of how the universe began. By products, if successful, we find new energy sources, cures to ailments, new products. And somewhere, somehow, they'll find a way to make a new weapon. At any rate, way above my IQ level. (what isn't) Hope all works out well. I have plans.
 
jerthunter

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This is just awful.. There is already way to many particles to learn about in Physics and this will probably lead to more being named or proposed. Most physicists are crazy already and this isn't going to help them out.
 
flricordia

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Watched the show on history last night. What will probably happen is a tiny black hole will form and by the year 2012 Dec swallow the earth.
 
nordy

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Kinda like when the first hydrogen bombs were proposed, built, and then detonated, way, way way back in the old days(P.S. I wasn't there!) . There was a lot of hand wringing, what ifs, and worries about the possibility that detonating a hydrogen bomb would set off a chain reaction among all the hydrogen in the atmosphere, and essentially blow up the earth and end life as we knew it. Well, I don't think it happened that way. Probably, maybe, possibly?
To me, the first one way low power test run of the LHC is another example of the decline of our once vaunted scientific/research/education.knowledge dominance. The US contributed over $500 million to this project, which is a good thing, but why didn't we take the lead in this? Why will we be required to use Russian space vehicles for the ISS until our next gen space transport vehicle is ready? Why are Japanese car makers taking the lead in automotive R&D and forcing Ford to buy hybrid drive tech for the Escape hybrid from Toyota because Ford, GM, Chrysler can't take the lead in the largest single car/truck market in the world? it's a darn shame it is.
The only area where the good old USA has dominance now is in airplane design and manufacturing and the machinists union at Boeing is doing it's very best to destroy that last vestige of American technological dominance
P.S. Wait a year os so until the LHC comes up to full power, in each of the counter rotating accelerators and then is able to smash those two extremely high energy beams together head on? Now that will be way cool and is when those black holes may possibly, kinda, maybe, coulda', sort of happen!
 
1knight164

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Originally Posted by Nordy
http:///forum/post/2752860
To me, the first one way low power test run of the LHC is another example of the decline of our once vaunted scientific/research/education.knowledge dominance. The US contributed over $500 million to this project, which is a good thing, but why didn't we take the lead in this?
We had the starts of the biggest accelerator (54 miles vice 17for CERN) in Texas until Congress canceled the project in 1993. Sounds like we folded.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1knight164
http:///forum/post/2752916
We had the starts of the biggest accelerator (54 miles vice 17for CERN) in Texas until Congress canceled the project in 1993. Sounds like we folded.
I've actually been there. It is pretty creepy. Like some place you'd see on the x-files.
The proponents are predicting sustainable energy in 40 years. I dunno I think it is really cool.
 
1knight164

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2752936
The proponents are predicting sustainable energy in 40 years. I dunno I think it is really cool.
Wouldn't that be great! Then OPEC would mean squat. Another quote from the article that's creepy:
"Our judge is not God or governments, but nature. If we make a mistake, nature will not hesitate to punish us."
Yikes!!! I hope they are successful and good things come from it, sorta like nukes. Yeah, it created a weapon from hell, but a lot of good came out of the whole thing.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1knight164
http:///forum/post/2752943
Is it still there???
They build some of it, huge warehouse looking buildings with deep concrete lined holes. It looks like a mixture of a military facility/ research/warehouse like you'd see on the xfiles. It has been 10 years since I was there. But I'd assume the buildings are still there.
 
socal57che

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Even if it goes off without a hitch and the world is spared, it just gives someone the go-ahead for an even bigger project...one of these days we are gonna outgrow our britches. (yeah, I'm from the hills!)
Poof. Oops. Bang!
The last words of the smartest scientist on earth will be "uh oh."
Brilliance. Pure brilliance.
 
jmick

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Grrr, them there scientists should leave well enough alone...we don't need no fancy experiments, not a gosh darn good thing has ever come from experiments...
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Flricordia
http:///forum/post/2752853
Watched the show on history last night. What will probably happen is a tiny black hole will form and by the year 2012 Dec swallow the earth.
2012....Isn't that when the Mayans or Nostradamus (sp) said it would end???
 
rebelprettyboy

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yeah dec 21 2012. my moms bday lol
And the one that theyre doing this experiemnt in was supposed to be built in outside Dallas Texas, but as u can see it not there!
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2752974
Grrr, them there scientists should leave well enough alone...we don't need no fancy experiments, not a gosh darn good thing has ever come from experiments...
Adding chocolate to milk...
That was a worthy experiment.
Maybe some good will come from bashing protons together, but IMO, the money would have been better spent elsewhere.
Lots of cancer patients would have appreciated $20 billion spent on research. Starving peoples of the world could have been a little less hungry. I've seen the commercials...it only takes $.13 to feed an Ethiopian child for 6 months.
 
subielover

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Originally Posted by rebelprettyboy
http:///forum/post/2753034
yeah dec 21 2012. my moms bday lol
And the one that theyre doing this experiemnt in was supposed to be built in outside Dallas Texas, but as u can see it not there!
That's weird, it is my mom's birthday too. I figure at least I will be partying
 
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