anybody paying attention to what's going on in Honduras?

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3078750
'W' would claim Zelaya was harboring nukes and would've invaded the place.

Was this before or after he planted and fabricated evidence to fool every major intellegence organization? While owning a professional baseball team, and governing a major state?

 

[locoyo386]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3078816
Hey a poor despot is a whole lot less scary than a really rich one...
Who would you be more worried about, some war lord with enough money to buy 100 AK-47s and mow people down, or a war lord that had the money to make sarin Gas and stick it on a cruise missile?
Atually, both. They both jeopardize the safety of the people.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3078780
Never knew liberating 25 million iraqis was a waste of money...
Is to me. We spend billions liberating a bunch of idiots that would shoot us just looking at them the wrong way, while hundreds of thousands American citizens go bankrupt and can't find jobs. Think what all that money wasted on a useless war could've paid for in the good ole US of A. Yea, yea, I've heard your song and dance about saving the world from oppression, and how 'W' supposedly averted some nutcase from owning nukes. Yet we have another country right next to it (Iran) touting the same thing, and an even crazier nut (North Korea) ready to push the 'Big Red Button' at any minute. God Bless America. Let's put our own country into a dpression by saving the rest of the world. Morons.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3078818
Was this before or after he planted and fabricated evidence to fool every major intellegence organization? While owning a professional baseball team, and governing a major state?
Problem is, they never found any evidence. A reporter just released an article the other day where someone interviewed Sadaam right before they executed him. When they asked him about nukes, his reply was,"If I had those devices available to me, don't you think I would have used them when my country was invaded?"
The Mark Cuban of the baseball world...
The happiest day of my life was when he left the governor's office. Too many idiotic laws and referendums to mention from that Froot Loop.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3078879
Problem is, they never found any evidence. A reporter just released an article the other day where someone interviewed Sadaam right before they executed him. When they asked him about nukes, his reply was,"If I had those devices available to me, don't you think I would have used them when my country was invaded?"
The Mark Cuban of the baseball world...
The happiest day of my life was when he left the governor's office. Too many idiotic laws and referendums to mention from that Froot Loop.
Mark Cuban is a boob if you are referring to the one who owns the Mavericks.
As for WMD's Saddam also said he did everything he could to make everyone believe he still had the WMD's he was known to have prior to GW I

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3078780
Never knew liberating 25 million iraqis was a waste of money...

He meant the war on poverty, or the war on auto bankruptcy.
Those are well spent $$$
On the other hand, if this guy can't get a third term, now way Pres. Obama will be able to run for one.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3078879
Problem is, they never found any evidence. A reporter just released an article the other day where someone interviewed Sadaam right before they executed him. When they asked him about nukes, his reply was,"If I had those devices available to me, don't you think I would have used them when my country was invaded?"
The Mark Cuban of the baseball world...
The happiest day of my life was when he left the governor's office. Too many idiotic laws and referendums to mention from that Froot Loop.

What about the idiotic laws being passed now, Cap and Tax, Stimulus ( porkulus). Aren't you tired of seeing your money wasted?

 

[flpriest]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3078937
He meant the war on poverty, or the war on auto bankruptcy.
Those are well spent $$$
On the other hand, if this guy can't get a third term, now way Pres. Obama will be able to run for one.
Don't forget the war on saving the mort gage companies!

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3078942
What about the idiotic laws being passed now, Cap and Tax, Stimulus ( porkulus). Aren't you tired of seeing your money wasted?
As far as the Stimulus, we won't know how the effects of this spending will pan out for several years. People want to slam the program after only a few months of its implementation. Banks have already started paying back their loans (albeit some people think that's not good enough). Two of the three major auto manufacturers may live another day to possibly produce a viable product, and reinstate many lost jobs (that will depend on the people in this country backing American-made products, as opposed to sending their hard-earned money overseas to Japan, Korea, and Germany). You expect results immediately. Doesn't work that way in an economy like ours.
Cap and Trade? Still hasn't passed through the Senate. That vote probably won't happen until September. The only way this will affect consumers is if the energy companies pass down their extra costs for obtaining these 'emissions permits' the Federal Govt. want to hand out. I've heard the stories of requiring new and existing homeowners to make their homes more energy efficient before they try to sell them, but so fatr I've never seen that in print. I won't try to read a bunch of legal jargon in this 100 page bill that's on the table to confirm or deny the rumors. Here's a 101 doc on the program. http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...dtrade101.html

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079097
As far as the Stimulus, we won't know how the effects of this spending will pan out for several years. People want to slam the program after only a few months of its implementation. Banks have already started paying back their loans (albeit some people think that's not good enough). Two of the three major auto manufacturers may live another day to possibly produce a viable product, and reinstate many lost jobs (that will depend on the people in this country backing American-made products, as opposed to sending their hard-earned money overseas to Japan, Korea, and Germany). You expect results immediately. Doesn't work that way in an economy like ours.
Cap and Trade? Still hasn't passed through the Senate. That vote probably won't happen until September. The only way this will affect consumers is if the energy companies pass down their extra costs for obtaining these 'emissions permits' the Federal Govt. want to hand out. I've heard the stories of requiring new and existing homeowners to make their homes more energy efficient before they try to sell them, but so fatr I've never seen that in print. I won't try to read a bunch of legal jargon in this 100 page bill that's on the table to confirm or deny the rumors. Here's a 101 doc on the program. http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...dtrade101.html
Well hello Pollyanna! You don't think the energy companies will pass the costs down to we the consumers? They already do it on multiple levels.

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079097
The only way this will affect consumers is if the energy companies pass down their extra costs for obtaining these 'emissions permits' the Federal Govt. want to hand out.
What in the WORLD makes you think they won't?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3079140
Well hello Pollyanna! You don't think the energy companies will pass the costs down to we the consumers? They already do it on multiple levels.
I'm sure they will. The question is, what will be the gain for enacting this bill? If you don't believe that there is a global warming issue, and mankind will suffer because of it, then it is a complete waste of time and money. I know for myself, San Antonio has been in a drought for over 9 months. I got 1/2" of rain yesterday for the first time in 3 months. I've given up on trying to keep my grass alive, much less my other landscape plants. We're just an inch away from Stage 3 water restrictions (our water source is an aquifer). Local lake levels are down 20 - 30 feet. Major rivers are drying up. Is this due to global warming? Beats me. I'm no scientist, and I can't prove or disprove their theories. But if it only costs me a couple hundred bucks a year to find out that it will help the global environment, I'd say that's worth keeping this world spinning for a few more centuries.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079097
As far as the Stimulus, we won't know how the effects of this spending will pan out for several years. People want to slam the program after only a few months of its implementation. Banks have already started paying back their loans (albeit some people think that's not good enough). Two of the three major auto manufacturers may live another day to possibly produce a viable product, and reinstate many lost jobs (that will depend on the people in this country backing American-made products, as opposed to sending their hard-earned money overseas to Japan, Korea, and Germany). You expect results immediately. Doesn't work that way in an economy like ours.
Cap and Trade? Still hasn't passed through the Senate. That vote probably won't happen until September. The only way this will affect consumers is if the energy companies pass down their extra costs for obtaining these 'emissions permits' the Federal Govt. want to hand out. I've heard the stories of requiring new and existing homeowners to make their homes more energy efficient before they try to sell them, but so fatr I've never seen that in print. I won't try to read a bunch of legal jargon in this 100 page bill that's on the table to confirm or deny the rumors. Here's a 101 doc on the program. http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...dtrade101.html
Congress hasn't seen it in print either...

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079295
I'm sure they will. The question is, what will be the gain for enacting this bill? If you don't believe that there is a global warming issue, and mankind will suffer because of it, then it is a complete waste of time and money. I know for myself, San Antonio has been in a drought for over 9 months. I got 1/2" of rain yesterday for the first time in 3 months. I've given up on trying to keep my grass alive, much less my other landscape plants. We're just an inch away from Stage 3 water restrictions (our water source is an aquifer). Local lake levels are down 20 - 30 feet. Major rivers are drying up. Is this due to global warming? Beats me. I'm no scientist, and I can't prove or disprove their theories. But if it only costs me a couple hundred bucks a year to find out that it will help the global environment, I'd say that's worth keeping this world spinning for a few more centuries.
The problem is that it isn't going to cost you a "couple hundred dollars".
San Antonio is out of water because there are a buncha boobs running the water district and have been for a long time. You could double the average yearly rainfall, and those same all thumb morons would be running around saying there is a water shortage.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3079317
Congress hasn't seen it in print either...

The problem is that it isn't going to cost you a "couple hundred dollars".
San Antonio is out of water because there are a buncha boobs running the water district and have been for a long time. You could double the average yearly rainfall, and those same all thumb morons would be running around saying there is a water shortage.
All the articles I've read from the dissenter's have stated the average cost per household would amount to $147 - $300 per year. To reduce carbon emissions, someone will have to foot the bill. Of course it'll be the consumers to some degree. Like I said, if you don't believe in the global warming hoopla, it's a raw deal any way you look at it. The problem is, there may be no true indicators to show if this initiative will actually work or not. Even if there are, it'll take years before someone can validate them.
Won't argue with you about the morons that run our water district. We could've had a ground water backup for the aquifer years ago (Applewhite), but the conservative environmentalists shot that down. The restrictions on the aquifer are so tight because they want to protect some salamander in streams around San Marcos.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079373
All the articles I've read from the dissenter's have stated the average cost per household would amount to $147 - $300 per year. To reduce carbon emissions, someone will have to foot the bill. Of course it'll be the consumers to some degree. Like I said, if you don't believe in the global warming hoopla, it's a raw deal any way you look at it. The problem is, there may be no true indicators to show if this initiative will actually work or not. Even if there are, it'll take years before someone can validate them.
That is just cash out of your pocket. This bill has the potential to be the Smoot-Haley bill of the 21 century. Most domestic energy production is going to stop. Right now domestic oil production is basically frozen just because of the idea. They can meet demand with what they have in place and foreign exploration.
I just find it ironic the same people who throw a tantrum about outsourcing are basically forcing companies to do just that, by making it prohibitively expensive to operate in the USA.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079295
I'm sure they will. The question is, what will be the gain for enacting this bill? If you don't believe that there is a global warming issue, and mankind will suffer because of it, then it is a complete waste of time and money. I know for myself, San Antonio has been in a drought for over 9 months. I got 1/2" of rain yesterday for the first time in 3 months. I've given up on trying to keep my grass alive, much less my other landscape plants. We're just an inch away from Stage 3 water restrictions (our water source is an aquifer). Local lake levels are down 20 - 30 feet. Major rivers are drying up. Is this due to global warming? Beats me. I'm no scientist, and I can't prove or disprove their theories. But if it only costs me a couple hundred bucks a year to find out that it will help the global environment, I'd say that's worth keeping this world spinning for a few more centuries.
The thing is there is mounting evidence to show the warming is not tied to CO2 emissions. Why the rush to enact draconian measures to lower the emissions? This is a scam. I think curbing CO2 would be a good thing but take responsible steps to deal with it for nothing other than the effect high CO2 levels might have on the oceans.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3079373
All the articles I've read from the dissenter's have stated the average cost per household would amount to $147 - $300 per year. To reduce carbon emissions, someone will have to foot the bill. Of course it'll be the consumers to some degree. Like I said, if you don't believe in the global warming hoopla, it's a raw deal any way you look at it. The problem is, there may be no true indicators to show if this initiative will actually work or not. Even if there are, it'll take years before someone can validate them.
Won't argue with you about the morons that run our water district. We could've had a ground water backup for the aquifer years ago (Applewhite), but the conservative environmentalists shot that down. The restrictions on the aquifer are so tight because they want to protect some salamander in streams around San Marcos.
We've been in drought in the Denver area for a long time too but we have been getting a lot of rain for the last month or so. Ours may be coming to an end if this pattern continues. Droughts come and go, same with hurricanes. I think people are too quick to try to explain why man is causing it.