Anyone a health insurance wiz?

shwstpr88

Member
My wife and I both have insurance she has HMO from her work, shes a teacher. I have a PPO plan from my work. Seems her's is ALOT cheaper to use but harder to find people to take where is mine is alot more but with easier use. Is it beneificial to have both? We are soon expecting our first child so we want to keep medical bills to a minium.
Thanks!
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by shwstpr88
http:///forum/post/3239298
My wife and I both have insurance she has HMO from her work, shes a teacher. I have a PPO plan from my work. Seems her's is ALOT cheaper to use but harder to find people to take where is mine is alot more but with easier use. Is it beneificial to have both? We are soon expecting our first child so we want to keep medical bills to a minium.
Thanks!
If you can find a good doc you are comfortable with in the HMO they are a good deal. If you live in a small area or in the sticks it can be a real hassle to find doctors. Best thing to do is get a hold of her list of providers and see if they have pediatrician you like. When I was in Montana we couldn't even get HMO's because there wasn't enough people in the area to make them work.
 

tangman99

Active Member
I work in Health Care be it I.T., but I know the business very well. Each state can be different and we have not had HMOs for many years so thing may have changed from how they worked when had them.
You have to look at each separate and then what it would cost for each of you to be on one plan. The PPO is 1000x times better as they have a better network and you have a lot of freedom with your health care. HMOs are a pain in that you have to get referrals for almost everything that your primary care physician can't handle. You better have a physician you trust also because they get penalized if they do too many referals so some are hesitant. It can also be hard to get an appointment with an HMO as physicians were paid what was known as PMPM (Per Member Per Month) meaning that they were paid by member count and not treatment. If a physician participates in multiple networks, they don't make more to see you in their office. Does anyone remember back in the 90s when HMOs were most common and you would call your doctor with a bad cold? Remember them asking you questions over the phone and calling in a perscription for you? You thought they were saving you a trip and doing you a favor. Not at all. They didn't get paid to see you so they saved their appointments for the patients they could bill and file a claim.
If you have a PPO, you have the best policy and that is why it cost more. If you are both healthy and seldom visit the doctor, it probably doesn't matter what you do. Also compare your out of pocket deductibles to see what you each have to pay vs what you would pay on a single policy. That's probably a wash right now but won't be when you have a family as right now you each have employee only. When you have a family you would either have a single Employee + Family plan or two separate policies being an Employee Plan and an Employee + Child plan. That is where your deductibles will be much more.
If you are planning on having a baby, look carefully at what each plan covers as far as out of pocket maximums, what is covered and at what percentages. God forbid anything happen but if there are complications, you want the best insurance available.
Again, keep in mind that this may have changed and I'm giving you information from a while back on HMOs. Please do your due dillegence.
And yes, HSA are the way the industry is going. If you don't have one now, you will in the next few years.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3239350
No argument for universal health care there...
Not when the state is full of Canadians coming in to get their medical care because they might die waiting for the tests their wonderful universal health care system makes them wait months for.
 

uneverno

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3239388
Not when the state is full of Canadians coming in to get their medical care because they might die waiting for the tests their wonderful universal health care system makes them wait months for.
mmm - ya.
Wonder why my Canadian boss refuses US citizenship when she has a terminal disease which US health care is supposedly sooooo much better at addressing?
Don't believe the propaganda...
Reality generally finds itself somewhere in between the fictions of Utopia and Hell.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3239827
mmm - ya.
Wonder why my Canadian boss refuses US citizenship when she has a terminal disease which US health care is supposedly sooooo much better at addressing?
Don't believe the propaganda...
Reality generally finds itself somewhere in between the fictions of Utopia and Hell.

I don't want to pollute the thread with politics but I wont let this kind of rubbish go unanswered. When I have friends and acquaintances in the health care industry talk about the number of Canadians they see on a regular basis it's fact, not propaganda. These discussions took place from the late 90's until I left in 06. There was no move to socialize out health care at that time so there would have been no reason for these people to be part of a propaganda operation. And during my rehab first in Seattle then back in Montana I myself met several Canadians who were there for treatment and therapy because it was hard to get back home. I don't know what your bosses situation is but I suspect it has something to do with precondition coverage. Must be a hassle flying back to Canada for treatments.
I think you should follow your own advise and stop buying into the propaganda.
My apologies to the OP for the hijack.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by shwstpr88
http:///forum/post/3239298
My wife and I both have insurance she has HMO from her work, shes a teacher. I have a PPO plan from my work. Seems her's is ALOT cheaper to use but harder to find people to take where is mine is alot more but with easier use. Is it beneificial to have both? We are soon expecting our first child so we want to keep medical bills to a minium.
Thanks!
The question I have is, are you and your wife on each other's policies? Meaning, can she use your insurance and can you use hers? When I worked for a company, my wife and I sat down and determined which of our plans had the best options for the cheapest price, then chose that plan. Most of the time it was with my employer's plan, and she would 'opt out' of hers, whereby her company provided her no medical benefits whatsoever. So unless your wife is listed as a participant on your insurance plan, you can't use your insurance for the birth of the baby. You would have to get her added to your plan, which I doubt you can do now because she has a 'pre existing' condition (yes, her pregnancy is considered pre-existing). Now when the baby is born, you can decide which plan, if not both, you can add the baby to. But as far as the pre-natal and delivery, you're stuck with using her insurance if she's not listed on yours.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/3239377
I work in Health Care be it I.T., but I know the business very well. Each state can be different and we have not had HMOs for many years so thing may have changed from how they worked when had them.
You have to look at each separate and then what it would cost for each of you to be on one plan. The PPO is 1000x times better as they have a better network and you have a lot of freedom with your health care. HMOs are a pain in that you have to get referrals for almost everything that your primary care physician can't handle. You better have a physician you trust also because they get penalized if they do too many referals so some are hesitant. It can also be hard to get an appointment with an HMO as physicians were paid what was known as PMPM (Per Member Per Month) meaning that they were paid by member count and not treatment. If a physician participates in multiple networks, they don't make more to see you in their office. Does anyone remember back in the 90s when HMOs were most common and you would call your doctor with a bad cold? Remember them asking you questions over the phone and calling in a perscription for you? You thought they were saving you a trip and doing you a favor. Not at all. They didn't get paid to see you so they saved their appointments for the patients they could bill and file a claim.
If you have a PPO, you have the best policy and that is why it cost more. If you are both healthy and seldom visit the doctor, it probably doesn't matter what you do. Also compare your out of pocket deductibles to see what you each have to pay vs what you would pay on a single policy. That's probably a wash right now but won't be when you have a family as right now you each have employee only. When you have a family you would either have a single Employee + Family plan or two separate policies being an Employee Plan and an Employee + Child plan. That is where your deductibles will be much more.
If you are planning on having a baby, look carefully at what each plan covers as far as out of pocket maximums, what is covered and at what percentages. God forbid anything happen but if there are complications, you want the best insurance available.
Again, keep in mind that this may have changed and I'm giving you information from a while back on HMOs. Please do your due dillegence.
And yes, HSA are the way the industry is going. If you don't have one now, you will in the next few years.
That is my understanding of it as well. The highlights being on an HMO that they're paid on an enrollment basis not a per visit basis. You need referals for everything not covered by your primary care physician. And finding a doctor can be difficult, since they're not profitable.
 

cranberry

Active Member
Propaganda? Really?
Ask me about my experiences. I don't know anything about the political side of it. The info I have is experienced based on one who grew up in the system, lived (and worked in it) as an adult, dealt with a family member not being able to receive care in a timely fashion AND had a family member who had to raise money to come to the states for care as well. But, I not only have experience on the Canadian side, but I now live here and work here in the system.
I'm PPO, Hubby is HMO. I like to fire doctors so I needed a more open list so I can hop from one to the next. If you have a doc who is on the plan, and are in an area where there there are other docs on the plan if you choose to switch, HMO may serve you just as well.
 
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saxman

Guest
correction: hubby has PPO, used to have HMO.
IME, having a kid on HMO is a lot cheaper in terms of hospital bills and pre-natal visits, as mentioned, if you find someone you like, and they'll go with the HMO, do it.
now that i'm getting older *cough, cough* (i hate getting older), i've been going with a PPO because i can simply walk into any specialist anywhere and be seen without all the referral hassels. of course, if the doc is within the "network" it's cheaper...
for instance, and this happened just last evening, my "primary doc" saw me on a follow-up for a scratched cornea, didn't like how it's healing (too slowly for his liking), so he made a call and i was being seen by an opthamologist down the street within about 10 mins...that would not happen with a HMO.
JME...JM .02
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by saxman
http:///forum/post/3239937
correction: hubby has PPO, used to have HMO.
IME, having a kid on HMO is a lot cheaper in terms of hospital bills and pre-natal visits, as mentioned, if you find someone you like, and they'll go with the HMO, do it.
now that i'm getting older *cough, cough* (i hate getting older), i've been going with a PPO because i can simply walk into any specialist anywhere and be seen without all the referral hassels. of course, if the doc is within the "network" it's cheaper...
for instance, and this happened just last evening, my "primary doc" saw me on a follow-up for a scratched cornea, didn't like how it's healing (too slowly for his liking), so he made a call and i was being seen by an opthamologist down the street within about 10 mins...that would not happen with a HMO.
JME...JM .02

Originally Posted by Cranberry

http:///forum/post/3239953
Whoops... thought you were still under HMO.
So saxman is married to Cranberry. Now I know. BTW corpus has been beautiful this week.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3239975
So saxman is married to Cranberry. Now I know. BTW corpus has been beautiful this week.
Beautiful? It wouldn't happen to be because all those college girls are down there for Spring Break walking around in their skimpy bikinis would it?
 

cranberry

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3239975
So saxman is married to Cranberry. Now I know. BTW corpus has been beautiful this week.
Yup, that's my partner in crime.
Have you gone shrimping yet? Any new stores opened up? You should go para surfing, if you haven't. OMG! that was gobs of fun. They do it out of Padre Island (probably the Bay too, but I didn't go there... I was a Padre Island girl).
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3239993
Yup, that's my partner in crime.
Have you gone shrimping yet? Any new stores opened up? You should go para surfing, if you haven't. OMG! that was gobs of fun. They do it out of Padre Island (probably the Bay too, but I didn't go there... I was a Padre Island girl).
I've been hole up in my office working the whole dang time. I've only gone fishing once for about an hour.
My poor tank is full, of rain water... I've always wanted to go para surfing, well wind surfing, but para surfing looks fun too. But it has been COOOLD. It sleeted for a little while one day, and basically it has been raining every day since I got here. They've had more rain in January and half of february, than they'd had last year till october...
 

cranberry

Active Member
Sheesh... the only rain I ever saw was that which can in on a storm bands from a nearby hurricane or big storms during season changes, but that was it. Those storms were AWESOME cool (except the ones where I had to stay in my bathtub with my 2 dogs with their harnesses and leashes on... figured if we got sucked up I could wrap their cords around me so I could protect them both
).
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3240001
Sheesh... the only rain I ever saw was that which can in on a storm bands from a nearby hurricane or big storms during season changes, but that was it. Those storms were AWESOME cool (except the ones where I had to stay in my bathtub with my 2 dogs with their harnesses and leashes on... figured if we got sucked up I could wrap their cords around me so I could protect them both
).
No fun thunderstorms yet, but I remember being here visiting the grandparents when Andrew hit Louisiana, and seeing a water spout touch down in the bay.
 
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