Yep, sammy I remember that incident----and he was a she LOL--I remember because it was the only other WV member at the time, right now there are only 3 (that I know of). You helped out greatly!!! A&M, I think it would be pure accident, but if it happens, keep in mind what sammy said, that member felt much better after the hottest water she could stand vs. cold. Her name was either (I believe all caps) MRSWV or MRS.WV. Try that or a combo of, but sammy gave some good info there. As well as what she felt.