Anyone ever done this???

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tschubert

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I am thinking about setting up my sump/ fuge and new reef tank on two different floors of the house. The New tank, an all glass 155 bow with two overflows on the main floor, and the 55 gallon sump/ fuge that I just built in the basement directly below the display tank, run my lines through the floor and keep all the not so pretty stuff downstairs where it will be easy to get at.
I realize that I will be looking at appx 10' of head for my return Pump(s). I was thinking about either one magflow 36 or two magflow 24s, looks like either combination will give me appx. 23-2400 gph flow @ 10' head. Also looking at ASM G-4 in sump skimmer for sump/fuge. Has anyone ever done this before, and are there any specific quirks or problems to look out for???
Thanks in advance Todd
 
fbm

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I have seen alot of setups like this one. The only problem you have to account for is the head of the pumps but other than that, it is the exact same as having a sump in the cabinet under that tank. Also when you account for your head loss, just don't take height into the equation aslo looks at pipe size and bends as well. There are calculators out there that will help with this. However I said heck with the calculation and just took an educated guess because I don't care too much how much flows through my sump because I just mainly use that too keep my DT at the right level anyways.
 
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, I am going to do it, will use two Mag 24's that I ordered yesterday, for return. One last question. Fuge is on one end of course, then Skimmer, then Return, or return in middle then skimmer on other end. What have you all had the best success with? I can set up either way and divert or split water flow from the DT any way I want. Opinions???
Thanks in advance!!
Todd
 
topofsteel

topofsteel

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Something to keep in mind is the size of the Pump chamber. There will be a lot of water in those lines to overflow your sump in the event of a power outage.
I am designing my sump/fuge to be in-line. In from drain - skimmer - carbon - fuge - return pump. It doesnt make any sense to me to split the flow, in one side out the other. I have seen designs with the return pump in the middle and they don't make sense to me, maybe I'm missing something.
 
mpls man

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Im going to be setting up my 110 GAL RR tank that way, i'm going to have the sump in the basement . like others have said..you have to acccount for the water that will drain back into the sump in case of power failure, therefore you have to have a big enought sump, i'm going to have a 55 gal sump with a 30 gal refugium, also accounting for head pressure loss from the basement.
i'm going to be running a Seahorse 1/2 h pump rated at 3600gph for my return. make sure you have all this planned out before you attempt in case of floods.
depending how big you DT is and how big your sump is will configure if it will work, do all your figuring 1st.
 
mpls man

mpls man

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Originally Posted by tschubert
I am thinking about setting up my sump/ fuge and new reef tank on two different floors of the house. The New tank, an all glass 155 bow with two overflows on the main floor, and the 55 gallon sump/ fuge that I just built in the basement directly below the display tank, run my lines through the floor and keep all the not so pretty stuff downstairs where it will be easy to get at.
I realize that I will be looking at appx 10' of head for my return Pump(s). I was thinking about either one magflow 36 or two magflow 24s, looks like either combination will give me appx. 23-2400 gph flow @ 10' head. Also looking at ASM G-4 in sump skimmer for sump/fuge. Has anyone ever done this before, and are there any specific quirks or problems to look out for???
Thanks in advance Todd
Todd.
just curious why you want to run 2 mag pumps, what happens if 1 stops running for a reason?, why not run 1 pump for everything., as far as the sump you'll probally be fine. always said the bigger the better,
what are your overflows rated at??.
I guess i would have gone wth the mag36. IMO
 
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My thought is to install check valves on the supply side ( not the the spring loaded type, but the old stand-by "flapper" type which fall back and seal somewhat effectively in the event of power failure. My reasoning for 2 pumps is that if one fails I will still have half flow. I live in west central Ohio and there are not too many places that I can get replacement pumps in a big hurry. My Sump Fuge is a 55 gal that I have dedicated 40% to fuge and the other two chambers @ 30% each for either skimmer or return. In other words with the baffles that I have in place the system will probably hold about 40-42 gallons. As far as overflow capacity the DT is a 155 all glass Bow, and from what I understand the overflows are rated @ 1200 GPH ea. I guess I have wondered why the Skimmer on the opposite end of the fuge myself? Makes more sense to me to have it in the middle with return on the end.
What are you guys putting in your refugiums for Reef, and what type of lighting to support?
Again thanks in advance- Todd
 
sleasia

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If its a glass tank, why don't you just drill it and put in a standing drain within an overflow, then from the outside you can hard plumb it right down to the basement and have everything down there?




 
sleasia

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the tank pics are actually two tanks. the main tank I plumbed to the basement. this tank is acrylic and I did not make the overflow on it...the pics of the overflow and bulkheads are on my second tank, which I did drill and make the overflow for. Though I did not plumb this one to the basement, its pretty much a clone of the main tank, and gives you the idea of how to do it.
 
mpls man

mpls man

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Originally Posted by tschubert
My thought is to install check valves on the supply side ( not the the spring loaded type, but the old stand-by "flapper" type which fall back and seal somewhat effectively in the event of power failure. My reasoning for 2 pumps is that if one fails I will still have half flow. I live in west central Ohio and there are not too many places that I can get replacement pumps in a big hurry. My Sump Fuge is a 55 gal that I have dedicated 40% to fuge and the other two chambers @ 30% each for either skimmer or return. In other words with the baffles that I have in place the system will probably hold about 40-42 gallons. As far as overflow capacity the DT is a 155 all glass Bow, and from what I understand the overflows are rated @ 1200 GPH ea. I guess I have wondered why the Skimmer on the opposite end of the fuge myself? Makes more sense to me to have it in the middle with return on the end.
What are you guys putting in your refugiums for Reef, and what type of lighting to support?
Again thanks in advance- Todd
http://www.melevsreef.com
check out this website for ideas on sumps and fuges.
I now see more of what your trying to do. is this a RR tank?
my 110, the overflows are rated at about the same.
i was also considering the check valves for mine as well.
 
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tschubert

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Yes this is a Reef Ready tank with pre-drilled overflows and all pertinent accessories. I guess one of my big questions is how hard the overflow water to the sump is going to be hitting by the time it falls appx. 10'. Should I incorporate some some 90's on the way down, or do something like a "P" trap to decellerate the flow? Something on the end as it goes into the sump/fuge? have seen pictures with "t's" and 45's attached to create a venturi or swirl the water as it enters the fuge. Any thoughts or recommendations? Also thanks for the link to melevesreef. Iwill be spending a lot of time there in the future. i will try to post some pics as this thing gets going.
Thanks Again in advance for all of your help Todd
 
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