Anyone ever tear down and redo a large tank?

dejaco

Member
Hey I have had my 210 up and running for 15 months. Every thing is going good, but occasionally I get some discoloring of my sand bed. I also have a six foot near verticle wall of live rock. I am thinking of a very long day overhual where I remove everything except the sand bed. Then sift the upper layer of sand for inverts within. Next moving all sand to one side of tank and installing a plenum. Then move all sand to plenum side and installing second plenum. It will be in two pieces but act as one entire piece the way I have it layed out. Then instead of a rock wall I would build the live rock into 3 step tiers around overflow boxes. Next build 2 rubble piles out in the open sand. It would be like to seperate "brommies" with more open sand area and allow better overall flow. I am hoping the stair steps will allow better coral placement and more direct light on them.
Any thoughts or experience on totally re-aquascaping appreciated.
 

kzoo

Member
I have thought of useing a plenum system on my 240 how do you like it? Change is good and if it gets you to look and enjoy your tank more I would go for it. Just be carefull if you disturb the area under the plenum you may need to do a mass water change.
 

dejaco

Member
My thoughts were to put in the plenem system. Right now I have a deep sand bed only. Most of the newer articles I have read flaunt it's benefits.
The Wakkikii Study showed great results and a much more uniform substrate
with no discoloring. Just something I would like to try.
 

saltn00b

Active Member
i just moved my 150 and have been in the middle of doing something similar, with shifting all the rock to one side so i could get some egg crate down nice and clean, and add more sand. definitely do it 1/2s or 1/3s because the tank can get cloufy quick. consider changing out some old base rock with some new rock to replenish some of your phosphate absorbing capabilities. Tiers and shelving is great idea and allows for more surface area, but it never goes exactly according to plan, damn stubborn rocks. oh unless you start drilling the rock and putting in pvc support rods.
 

reefkprz

Active Member
Originally Posted by d0 thy d3w
ummm...sorry if im hijacking..but whats a plenem?
the plenum system, was conceived by Dr. Jean Jaubert of the University of Nice.
A plenum system consists of a sand substrate, approximately 3 inches in depth, overlying a plastic grid, or plenum (such as eggcrate or even an undergravel filter plate). The grid is positioned approximately one inch from the bottom using sections of PVC tubing or another suitable material. The purpose of the plenum is to create a reservoir of stagnant, anoxic water beneath the sand, which promotes the colonization of beneficial denitrifying bacteria deep within the sand bed.
A layer of plastic window screening is placed on top of the grid so the sand cannot settle through the slots and fill up the plenum. The first 2 inches of sand are then added on top of the plenum followed by a second layer of screening. Finally, a one-inch layer of sand is added atop the second layer of screening and is seeded with live sand.
The screening between the upper and lower sand layers prevents burrowing organisms from disturbing the lower layer where denitrification takes place. The myriad sand-sifting organisms introduced via live sand to the top layer help maintain the proper oxygen gradient throughout the sand bed.
When a plenum system is functioning properly, aquarium water diffuses through the sand bed to the deepest layer, where any nitrate is converted to free nitrogen, which then bubbles up to the surface of the aquarium and is released into the atmosphere. However, if installed or maintained improperly, plenums have been known to trap detritus and release nutrients into the aquarium water or, in worst-case scenarios, to produce toxic hydrogen sulfide gas. Both of these problems can usually be prevented by providing vigorous water movement in the aquarium above the sand bed.
If setting up a plenum system sounds overly complicated to you, you're in good company. In fact, because plenums seem so unnecessarily complicated, they began to fall out of vogue a few years back.
That's not to suggest that plenums don't work. In fact, they work quite well when implemented correctly, and many aquarists still use them with excellent results. But over time, more and more aquarists have come to realize that they can reap the same benefits from a deep sand bed without the hassle of a plenum.
 

dejaco

Member
ReefkprZ That sounds like a fair description of a plenum, except In my research I have found two schools of thought. First most original Juapert designs show a bottom plate sealed in various means to allow water in and yet keep sand out. This plenum plate is placed on the bare bottom of a tank.
Approximately 1" to 1 1/2" of fine grain sand goes on top of it. Then plastic
screening is placed over that layer to prevent any burrowing/digging/sifting of this bottom layer. Finally the top layer of sand is applied to a depth of 2" to 2 1/2".
More recently articles and some authors (Delbeek for one) describe just the plate system being covered by 4" to 6" of sand. In either case think of the trapped inch of water under all the gravel as the main idea.
The plenum system forms a sandwhich with the system water above being of high O2 content and the water pocket below sand being of low O2 content.
In theory this "sandwhich prevent the formation of hydrogen sulfide area's while still allowing for the formation of anarobic areas within the middle portions of the sand bed.
REPORTED differences between DSB system and Plenum systems is the condition of the sand. Systems with the plenum rarely exhibit any grey to black area's indicative of hydrogen sulfide production.
At any rate with all the pro's and con's looked at my thought is to have a cleaner looking system and when considering removing part of the rock wall to make a couple of brommies instead has made me look for more nitrogen reduction possibillities. Since the repoted study date didn't show much difference in the actual mineralization levels between the DSB or plenum the other differences were striking to me. Cleaner sand beds and better natural decalcification of sand for a more stable pH and higher calcium levels.
The debate goes on!
 

reefkprz

Active Member
very true DeJaCo, I was just explaining one method and not even that comprehensivly, it was mostly to give him an Idea about it thats all, your additional information is great, thank you for providing it.
 

rwp1202

Member
It sounds like you have a big project in front of you. I have moved my 105 gal reef across town once and reaquascaped it twice. Here's my $.02
Make sure you have lots of fresh, heated, well airated salt water ready. You will lose a lot when you are removing stuff from the aquarium. (50% of your tank capacity would not be too much water to have in reserve)
If you have a lot of corals, I would bag them and put them in a styro to keep them safe from physical, thermal, and chemical stress. I would also keep ALL of your live rock in a large containers filled with circulating salt water. What you proposing to do will put a lot of stress on your tank and you should minimize die-off on your live rock.
If you decide to disturb a long established DSB you run the risk of poisoning your tank
if you are not careful. Just think of all of the bad nasties it has been collecting over time suddenly being released when you stir it up. There is also anaerobic bacteria way down there that you don't want to mix up in your water colum. Your best bet is either to replace it in VERY small sections (Not an option in your case) or drain the tank and remove ALL of the sand and discard it. You should get some fresh live sand to replace it.
If you have a lot of live rock and get really good live sand you might get away with a mini cycle that will only stress (and not kill) your tank inhabitants. Be prepared to do large water changes over the following days just in case you should get an ammonia spike.
The good news is that if you leave the DSB alone, you should have no problems with tearing out and restacking your reef to get the desired appearance.
Good luck with your project and take pictures along the way to document your progress.
Happy New Year! :cheer:
 

d0 thy d3w

Member
thanks for filling me in on what a plenum is! they sound a bit to difficult for me to keep up with...but its best to learn everything i can!
 

dejaco

Member
Before the bed was disturbed I had planned on draining entire system, saving the water, aquascaping, then refilling with the drained out water. Then after about 48 hours doing a 50% water change and changing out all carbon. I thought if I tested and everything lookked okay I would begin re adding stock.
At any rate I think I can house all fish, corals, and inverts in seperate small tanks until tank tests ok for reintroduction.
It's nice to have a group of fellow hobbyists here to donate time and smaller tanks to use for a large project. It will end up being a party I am sure and the wife will be on stand by with a mop at the ready! :cheer:
 
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