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[team2jndd]

oh and how do you get your first job? If you have no experience and a degree and you are competing with somebody with no degree and no experience... who gets hired first? You or the graduate? You have to start somehwere. The degree might not be important after you get your experience but it will likely get you a chance much faster. JMO.

 

[team2jndd]

oh and how do you get your first job? If you have no experience and a degree and you are competing with somebody with no degree and no experience... who gets hired first? You or the graduate? You have to start somehwere. The degree might not be important after you get your experience but it will likely get you a chance much faster. JMO.

 

[team2jndd]

oh and how do you get your first job? If you have no experience and a degree and you are competing with somebody with no degree and no experience... who gets hired first? You or the graduate? You have to start somehwere. The degree might not be important after you get your experience but it will likely get you a chance much faster. JMO.

 

[phixer]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
oh and how do you get your first job? If you have no experience and a degree and you are competing with somebody with no degree and no experience... who gets hired first? You or the graduate? You have to start somehwere. The degree might not be important after you get your experience but it will likely get you a chance much faster. JMO.

Semantics, of course having a degree would weigh more than no degree and no experience. No compairison using that scenario. But...
Heres where the charts are wrong. They do not reflect the trends of the job market. For example, look through any newspaper or job site on the net listing jobs, they overwhelmingly require lots of experience with the degree. If one only has the degree it will be hard to find a job paying anywhere close to what those charts represent. The new grad has to hope someone takes them on board as an apprentice or they work as an intern before graduation. If one has experience many times the company will fund the training if they feel it will generate more revenue. Or they will automate, downsize and outsource to cheaper labor markets. So that fancy degree in Software programing or Nuclear Physics really dosent mean as much when "Fred"

in India with the same degree is willing to do the same job for $25K a year.

 

[team2jndd]

lol sorry for the multipost. I agree that for many, getting a degree isnt necessary and you may never need it. I just think that in order to compete it is good to get as much experience and education as you can.

 

[rad]

Originally Posted by Phixer
So that fancy degree in Software programing or Nuclear Physics really dosent mean as much when "Fred"

in India with the same degree is willing to do the same job for $25K a year.

ouch!

Fred!

so true....

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by Anubisxero
try writing to wetwebmedia i've seen anthony calfo talking to people and telling them to document certain experiences that there isn't much information on and i've even seen him say he'd help get a guy published for work with rearing fry from some fish that haven't had much documentation on the practice. worth a shot. *shrug*

I'll definatly try that.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by Dogstar
Maybe they just thought your artical was crap....IDK. and instead of saying so, they were being nice and said you needed a degree...
How did they know you didnt have a degree ?.....uummm.
because apparantly they liked the article replyed to me and asked for education level and work history in fields relating to the hobby and I told them my information and expirience level and quoted all my sources for info. apparantly it was insufficient for them...

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by rad
By any chance did you tell them you have 2,300 posts on an internet message board? I have over 3,000 posts on another message board and Im definately including that on my resume.

No I did not include my many thousands of posts on this and other message boards. I didn't think of it as a concrete reference. Number of posts doesnt actually translate to knowledge.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by Anubisxero
Do you mind posting it for us? I'd like to read it.

If I cant get it published, eventually I will just post it, But I really want it published, for a couple reasons.
1 if its published as someone else mentioned it does help lend it a more solid credibility level.
2 I'm also trying to get a book published and once one thing is published its easier to get another done.
3 if I post it a couple people will read it then it will end up buried forever under thousands of other posts, if it gets published its in black and white forever.
4 if it gets published I reach a far broader base number of people.
5 its copywrited so if I just post it on a general forum people will be able to rip it without giving due credit to the time and research I put into this article. that would be worse than sitting on it for a couple months until;l I find a publisher.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
wait a minute here. You are making it sound like i said you have to have a degree to be credible. I said, the company wants you to have credibility for them to publish the article. Experience is credibility as well. Reefkeeperz (as far as i know) is not a scientist or a developer of bio balls. As far as i can tell he is just another hobbyist who wants to spread his opinion. There is nothing wrong with that BUT as a publisher, i could understand why they would want more experience or at the very least a degree.
your right I am not a scientest, I hold no degree. yes I am just a hobbiest who wants to share my opinions/expiriences/research and the article clearly stated that.
I just thought it was a cheap shot because they acted interested untill found out I didn't have a degree. I understand how hard it is for a publisher to choose what information to print, ceartain liabilities apply, copywrite laws and such I was very carefull about this and put almost a month and a half into writing and researching and finding supporting data. half the magazines out there their people throw together 5 or 6 articles a month. its just frusterating.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by 30-xtra high
ehh.. i guess they just want pros, think about it.. if you bought a book on how to plumb, would you want it written by a 13 year old without some sort of degree?, i wouldn't.. the thing is they just don't know how right you are, and a degree in their minds makes you right, i'm not chosing sides, i think you're both right to some extent.
no your definatly right. I would prefer an article written on plumbing to be done by a plumber.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by Phixer
I hire people based on their experience and integrity. Over the years I've seen too many spoiled brats with fancy degrees (paid for by Daddy) that are arrogant and have difficulty making important decisions while under pressure. Not all... but many are smartasses that lack discipline and are more concerned about themselves and feel the world owes them. Some things cannot be taught in a classroom but must be learned through experience. Most Veterans have an excellent work ethic.
this is the mentality I am looking for in a publisher, know any?

 

[team2jndd]

lol the national inquirer? Lets be honest people buy magazines because they want credible information. That means credible sources. I think you should do what you said and wait on it. You will find somebody somewhere to give you a chance and when you do than you are set. Like you said once you get one under your belt it should be alot easier. i am curious though :thinking: good luck.

 

[reefkprz]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
lol the national inquirer? .

Originally Posted by team2jndd
Lets be honest people buy magazines because they want credible information. That means credible sources. .
I know I have been trying to get published for 3 years. various articles. it gets more frusterating every year.
Originally Posted by team2jndd
I think you should do what you said and wait on it. You will find somebody somewhere to give you a chance and when you do than you are set. Like you said once you get one under your belt it should be alot easier. i am curious though :thinking: good luck.
thank you. I mean that.

 

[phixer]

Originally Posted by reefkprZ
this is the mentality I am looking for in a publisher, know any?
Most publications have contracts with their columists. However in the scrapbook world many magazines print the articles documenting the designs and ideas of their readers. Have you considered writing a small book or website to communicate your ideas? If it were me I would submit the article to a number of publications in the US and UK.
Reversal of the plumber analogy mentioned earlier and applied to the this topic. How many posts here are written by Ichthyologists or Marine Biologists? We still read and practice them anyhow or this site wouldnt exist. The first hand experience of others can be just as cretible especially when you consider how many discoveries are made by DIY amatuers.