As a gun owner, how do you feel about...

theclemsonkid

theclemsonkid

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So after reading about as much as I can stomach about the Tuscon shooting, I've really only come up with one conclusion as far as "would different gun laws" change things.
What is the purpose of an extended magazine? From what I read, his weapon was equipped to hold 30 bullets plus one in the clip. Also from what I read, he was finally stopped after he had to reload. So, from a gun owner/supporters point of view, is there any legitimate reason to have an extended magazine in a hand gun? And if not, would you be opposed to banning the selling of extended magazines? Sounds like in this particular case, he may have done a lot less damage had he only gotten off 10 shots as opposed to 30...
To me it seems like one of those things with a big upside and not much of a downside? Again, I have a single .22 at home, which is simply for protection, which I shoot maybe twice a year. So I by no means am an expert on handguns...
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Honestly, 30rds in a handgun is cumbersome. If the mag extends past the mag well by more than an inch or so, it's just in the way. Many double stack mags will hold 13-16 rounds without extending past the mag well more than a half inch. I'm ok with having 16rds before a reload.
People who shoot a lot don't want to spend half their time at the range refilling magazines. 16 shots to a mag will keep most any avid shooter happy.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Just an FYI, 30-50rd handgun mags are used by people who own machine pistols. A fully automatic Glock will unload a dozen rounds in no time flat.
 
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smartorl

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I've heard conflicting reports. There have been a few gun experts that have called in to various shows claiming that the media has falsely labeled this as an extended mag when it wasn't. In their version, which I have heard in at least three places and all were different people calling in, he was carrying multiple clips and definitely not an extended mag.
As a girl who grew up around guns and likes to shoot, I personally wouldn't mind all automatic and semi automatic weapons being harder to aquire. Would it deter the true gun enthusiasts? I don't think so. I would much rather have to jump through a few hoops to be able to purchase one if I knew it was harder for them to fall in the wrong hands. This opens another question though, that the harder things are to get legally, the more often they seem to become a "prize" for those that you are trying to keep them away from in the first place.
I don't think your right to bear arms in infringed if certain types of weapons are only available through a much more strenuous qualification process.
 
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jstdv8

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You can ban all you want, but these products are allready out there. Anyone can buy one of these banned things at just about any time from a fellow owner. What does the perp care weather its banned or not he/she is going to use it for law breaking purposes anyways.
Taking something away from law abiding citizens is not neccesarily going to keep it away from those who don't abide by the laws.
 
theclemsonkid

theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348477
I've heard conflicting reports. There have been a few gun experts that have called in to various shows claiming that the media has falsely labeled this as an extended mag when it wasn't. In their version, which I have heard in at least three places and all were different people calling in, he was carrying multiple clips and definitely not an extended mag.
As a girl who grew up around guns and likes to shoot, I personally wouldn't mind all automatic and semi automatic weapons being harder to aquire. Would it deter the true gun enthusiasts? I don't think so. I would much rather have to jump through a few hoops to be able to purchase one if I knew it was harder for them to fall in the wrong hands. This opens another question though, that the harder things are to get legally, the more often they seem to become a "prize" for those that you are trying to keep them away from in the first place.
I don't think your right to bear arms in infringed if certain types of weapons are only available through a much more strenuous qualification process.
My God a fellow gun owner who actually makes sense to me! I never thought I would see the day! :)
Well done!
 
1snapple

1snapple

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Originally Posted by socal57che http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348470
Just an FYI, 30-50rd handgun mags are used by people who own machine pistols. A fully automatic Glock will unload a dozen rounds in no time flat.
Glock 11 is a military pistol, fully auto or semi-auto. Has a 32round mag and blows it in under 2 secs.
Me and the other members of my family talked about this and determined that if you ban guns, bad people will still get guns while the law abiding citizens won't. so if someone has a concealed weapons permit and a guy snaps and starts shooting at people the person with the permit can pull out his gun and possibly save someone else's life.
Just my $0.02
 
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smartorl

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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348483
You can ban all you want, but these products are allready out there. Anyone can buy one of these banned things at just about any time from a fellow owner. What does the perp care weather its banned or not he/she is going to use it for law breaking purposes anyways.
Taking something away from law abiding citizens is not neccesarily going to keep it away from those who don't abide by the laws.
Your comment makes sense on one hand but this is assuming that people are smart, which alot of them simply aren't. Will some remain in the wrong hands, of course, there are those people out there who are truly inventive, sneaky, crafty, and cunning. From having numerous friends and family in law enforcement however, leads me to the conclusion that alot of the people who want these weapons, are morons to begin with. They are the same dweebs that also have to have their pit bull to be "cool" That is the group that would be targeted by stricter gun laws.
The smarter, more cunning criminals who would find a way to own these weapons whether legal or illegal are often the ones commiting crimes against their own "group". Drug deals, gang disputes, etc. While the guns are still dangerous, it's a little more contained and under wraps than Joe Cool out shooting up a parking lot so some chick will see him or flashing it around so other can see it and think he looks "dangerous".
Lets face it, most law abiding citizens don't own military type weapons. As stated above, they are bulky, heavy, and more likely than not to jam than not so not as all together dependable as a more simple model.
 
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smartorl

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Originally Posted by 1Snapple http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348488
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Originally Posted by socal57che http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348470
Just an FYI, 30-50rd handgun mags are used by people who own machine pistols. A fully automatic Glock will unload a dozen rounds in no time flat.
Glock 11 is a military pistol, fully auto or semi-auto. Has a 32round mag and blows it in under 2 secs.
Me and the other members of my family talked about this and determined that if you ban guns, bad people will still get guns while the law abiding citizens won't. so if someone has a concealed weapons permit and a guy snaps and starts shooting at people the person with the permit can pull out his gun and possibly save someone else's life.
Just my $0.02
It's not about banning guns, just making it harder for certain types to be purchased by the average joe. Not to restate the obvious but most average joe's have no use for military type guns anyhow.
The fact that this always boils down to a black or white issue, guns or no guns rather than better gun control is why nothing ever gets achieved.
 
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jstdv8

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This particular messed up individual that shot the Govenor of Arizona (I think she was govenor) had it all pre planned. No amount of gun banning is going to stop this fellow who pre-planned this execution from carrying out what he wanted to do.
Take a look at Washington DC's crime rates for instance. It's the only state that has a gun ban in the US and it's crime rates for violent crimes is through the roof.
 
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smartorl

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Again, you are talking "ban". There is a monumental difference between gun control and gun banning, they are not interchangeable terms.
 
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smartorl

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Yep, and if denied a gun, he could have run her over with a car or beat her with a hammer. When people are absolutely, certifiably nuts, and irrationally driven, there is little that could have been done to stop him from attempting as in this country, people's rights sometimes over rides another's right to a reasonable degree of safety. There are all sorts of people coming forward with a vast amount of warning signs that this individual was unhinged, yet, never enough for action to be taken. He was a ticking time bomb and many knew it was only a matter of time. I don't think this situation is a good example of why we need gun control.
 
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jstdv8

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exactly, IMO there is not much difference between control and banning in the sense that you are taking away somethings from honest citizens while thieves, gang members and killers easily get thier hands on the banned (or controlled) items.
You migth stop the idiot that is all pissed off and goes to Dicks sporting goods to buy a pistol to kill his wife with because she sheated on him. I'm all for the waiting period.
But you aren't going to stop anything by anyone who pre meditates these things.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I would have no problem with limiting pistol clips to the original manufacturers specs. I believe a Glock 9mm would hold 14 in the clip, I know the Ruger 9mm does.
Problem is if you try to create a reasonable bit of legislation the irrational gun grabbers will try to load it up with absurd regs.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Ruger P85 is what I should have wrote, actually a 15 round mag, love those pistols cause they fit in my big mitt way better than something like a 1911.
 
1snapple

1snapple

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a Sig Mausquito is awesome, (i know it's spelled wrong) it's a .22 LR with a 10 round mag and 1 in the chamber. You just pull the trigger and there is almost no recoil, it's just a great gun to go shoot. A gun that suck to shoot is a S&W .375 mag snub nose, It kicks terribly.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Just checked and Glock has a 15 and 17 round clip for their 9mm's. Pretty sure this guy didn't reload so he had to have been using the 33 round aftermarket clip. I can't imagine needing more than that. I guess if someone gave me a 33 round clip for my 45 I'd take it but not something I'd spend my money on.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 1Snapple http:///forum/thread/383122/as-a-gun-owner-how-do-you-feel-about#post_3348552
a Sig Mausquito is awesome, (i know it's spelled wrong) it's a .22 LR with a 10 round mag and 1 in the chamber. You just pull the trigger and there is almost no recoil, it's just a great gun to go shoot. A gun that suck to shoot is a S&W .375 mag snub nose, It kicks terribly.
My dad had a Ruger 22 auto. Trouble was is was worn out and when you pulled the trigger most of the time it would unload the clip. It was a sweet shooter, even in ghetto full auto mode it didn't kick much.
 
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