As read on the LS bags.....

laudluvr

Member
It says that you don't need to cycle. You can just add fish right away.
How misleading is this? How true is this?
The reason I ask is that I saw a really good price on a black and white percula. Damn this hobby, it really tests my patience!! Anyway, if you have a lot of live sand and a lot of live rock, will you ever really get an ammonia spike at all?
Thanks,
M
 

hairtrigger

Active Member
Are you talking about the Caribsea bags? If so, does it say "cuts down cycling time significantly" or does it actually say "no need to cycle?"
Either way, I believe using the LS, especially when coupled with LR, is capable of knocking a few days or maybe weeks off your cycling time.
However, if you're doing a reef, I would recommend letting the full cycle period pass regardless of what the bag says.
This may tie into my next point.
Some people say it's beneficial to lay down your DSB and LR, then keep the lights off in the tank for a full quarter. This gives the bacteria, detrivores, critters, etc time to breed and really seed the tank with nice life.
I don't know if this is so necessary, but my point is, you may want to put down your DSB and LR then keep the lights off for the full cycle period. Not a quarter. This might really help your tank get established.
I'm not too sure about the effectiveness of this, some mods or other member might know.
But either way, I would at least be patient with the cycling. A reef is a long-term hobby, investment, that you want to start as carefully and precisely as possible. Don't dance around tragedy to cut corners. ;)
PS... I just noticed the last part of your question. :D The ammonia spike depends on how much LR and LS you add. If it is a significant amount (not sure if by "have" you mean in the tank, or have to put in the tank) , then yes, as some life dies off it is very possible. Especially if you don't have an already established system that's capable of breaking all that nastiness down.
ALSO, you could put a hold on, or buy that fish and wait until the time is right. If the LFS scares you with its storing capabilities, I don't think those fish are too hard to find. :cool:
 

laudluvr

Member
HairTrigger,
I have 60lbs of LR and 100lbs of LS already in the tank. It has been cycling for 1 week so far. BTW, thanks for the advice. As far as the lighting, I think I am going to let the lights run to help promote coralline growth AND to find out what type of algae problems I may have before it gets carried away. (thanks to some advice on this board).
I'm not really going to buy that fish, but I want to. LOL
The bag says, "Nature's Ocean" and I quote, "Instant cycling, No waiting... Just add fish!"
One of the ironic statements of this product is....
1) It says it has a shelf life of 1 year. - Use before: Sept 15, 2004.
*Now if I do my calculations correctly, that is one year and three months from today. :confused: :rolleyes: :eek: DANGER, DANGER, DOES NOT COMPUTE!!
It costs $20 per 20lbs.
 

nm reef

Active Member
I've used both Natures Ocean LS & the Caribsea product...and have had no problems with either. They both contain bacteria that will help establish a new system and can reduce the time it takes to cycle a tank. However nothing in this hobby ever seems to be quick and easy. There are numerous products that claim to make the processes of establishing/maintaining a marine system quicker and easier. But absolutely nothing beats patience. In this hobby I truely believe faster is not better.
 

hairtrigger

Active Member
Ahhh, cool. Well you have some nice amounts of LR and LS. Cool.
Yeah, I was wondering about that "lights off" thing. I've only been told that by one guy at one LFS. I didn't do it either because I haven't seen enough research.
NM brings up a good point about those LS products that I don't think the bag makes clear. Which also ties into a problem Im having in my tank.
I thought seeding my DSB with that stuff would give all the nice life and detrivores that would really kick up a DSB. Well no, it doesnt.
Those LS bags only provide the nice, beneficial bacteria growth.
Ive recently had to order a detrivore kit full of worms, pods, snails, etc, to get the DSB working properly.
And I second that "faster is not better" theory with reefs. I've learned some serious lessons about that. :D
 

laudluvr

Member
Ive recently had to order a detrivore kit full of worms, pods, snails, etc, to get the DSB working properly.
Where can you get a kit like that? Is it worth it? Does the live rock have enough to get it "jump started"?
 

rickster

Member
The key is balance between light, food (other animals), and eventually water quality.....if you get in trouble stay with water quality....keep it neer the high end of PH, but
always watch the balance of your animals in the tank. If you are just starting out, dont muck up and miss on salinity...get it RIGHT. Keep it right. Dont ever forget Temp!!! grrz, use good salt and temp and you can argue with the best on this board,,,,they gamble.
R
 

hairtrigger

Active Member
:confused: What in God's name was that jibberish? I'm lost. Eventually water quality? Water quality may be the sole most important factor in reefkeeping. COUPLED with good lighting of course. And the PH comes into play with the water quality. If the PH is off, then you don't have ideal water quality. Whatever though, no need to debate that.
Laudluvr, as far as the detrivore kit, you can get them online by searching for "detrivore kit" on pretty much any search engine I believe. I haven't seen them at LFS' ever. But that's not saying they don't sell them. Detrivore kits usually come with mysis shrimp, some bristleworms, copepods, amphipods, sometimes mini bristle stars, etc.
:cool:
 
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