darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by chronic pain
http:///forum/post/3003462
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1986 says you need to return ASAP....
http:///forum/post/3003462
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1986 says you need to return ASAP....
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oscardeuce
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Originally Posted by chronic pain
http:///forum/post/3003462
I suppose you still think that generics are exactly the same as brand name too. : ( (wrong.) (and I apologize ahead of time, but since you say you're a doctor, I'm going to pick on you. If I write any more.) It just makes me mad that if you are TERMINAL, you can get ALL THE PAIN MEDS YOU NEED. If you are NOT terminal, however, you are stuck getting just whatever the doctor thinks he can give you without the DEA breathing down his neck. It's not fair. BUT, since apparently no one in congress or the dea has any chronic pain people in their lives, it doesn't matter to them that people with chronic pain are nine times more likely than the general population to off themselves. (you know they're all drug addicts anyhow.) (<== NOT) I wish someone would do something about that.
So, do I get to pick on you for being loser doper?
Why blame the physician for following the rules the DEA lays down?
Some generics are the same bioavailability, some have different fillers, etc.
http:///forum/post/3003462
I suppose you still think that generics are exactly the same as brand name too. : ( (wrong.) (and I apologize ahead of time, but since you say you're a doctor, I'm going to pick on you. If I write any more.) It just makes me mad that if you are TERMINAL, you can get ALL THE PAIN MEDS YOU NEED. If you are NOT terminal, however, you are stuck getting just whatever the doctor thinks he can give you without the DEA breathing down his neck. It's not fair. BUT, since apparently no one in congress or the dea has any chronic pain people in their lives, it doesn't matter to them that people with chronic pain are nine times more likely than the general population to off themselves. (you know they're all drug addicts anyhow.) (<== NOT) I wish someone would do something about that.
So, do I get to pick on you for being loser doper?
Why blame the physician for following the rules the DEA lays down?
Some generics are the same bioavailability, some have different fillers, etc.
chronic pain
New Member
"Some generics are the same bioavailability, some have different fillers, etc."
Years ago, I was taking Percocet. Back when I was young and stupid. I'd taken brand name, and everyone was saying that generic was the same. The company that made Percocet (Merck) also made a GENERIC. They said it was made of "the exact same stuff". It was cheaper. A LOT Cheaper. So one time I got it. I learned very quickly that it was NOT the "exact same stuff".
It was driving me nuts, because I thought that my brain was just playing tricks on me, and I don't like that sort of thing. Merck swore for over a year that it was exactly the same. Finally, one decent guy did admit that it was actually made differently. It's been a while, but I don't think he said outright that it didn't have as much of the active ingredient, but he did admit that it had different fillers and was NOT "the exact same stuff". That made me feel better.
Why would a company make generics exactly like the brand name when they get paid the same amount whether it's like the brand name drug or not? They would make it as cheaply as possible, and with as little of the most expensive ingredients (ie: the actual drug) as they could get away with. General business. That would only make sense. Would you think differently?
I know why generics are around, and most of the time, it doesn't matter. If it's not working like it should, the doctor just ups the dose. It doesn't work that way with pain medicine. If it doesn't work like it should, too bad. If someone steals your
[hr]
for that month, too bad. You're SOL whichever way you turn.
I might also mention that the pain doctors do not try to get rid of all, or even MOST of your pain. Their "goal" is to get you down to "half the worst pain of your life". How long do you expect people to live in "half the worst pain of your life"?? If someone's back is bad enough to be taking strong pain meds, then they've been through some pretty horrendous pain. Half the worst pain of your life is not OKAY.
Okay, then. Enough ranting for now. : D
Years ago, I was taking Percocet. Back when I was young and stupid. I'd taken brand name, and everyone was saying that generic was the same. The company that made Percocet (Merck) also made a GENERIC. They said it was made of "the exact same stuff". It was cheaper. A LOT Cheaper. So one time I got it. I learned very quickly that it was NOT the "exact same stuff".
It was driving me nuts, because I thought that my brain was just playing tricks on me, and I don't like that sort of thing. Merck swore for over a year that it was exactly the same. Finally, one decent guy did admit that it was actually made differently. It's been a while, but I don't think he said outright that it didn't have as much of the active ingredient, but he did admit that it had different fillers and was NOT "the exact same stuff". That made me feel better.
Why would a company make generics exactly like the brand name when they get paid the same amount whether it's like the brand name drug or not? They would make it as cheaply as possible, and with as little of the most expensive ingredients (ie: the actual drug) as they could get away with. General business. That would only make sense. Would you think differently?
I know why generics are around, and most of the time, it doesn't matter. If it's not working like it should, the doctor just ups the dose. It doesn't work that way with pain medicine. If it doesn't work like it should, too bad. If someone steals your
[hr]
for that month, too bad. You're SOL whichever way you turn.
I might also mention that the pain doctors do not try to get rid of all, or even MOST of your pain. Their "goal" is to get you down to "half the worst pain of your life". How long do you expect people to live in "half the worst pain of your life"?? If someone's back is bad enough to be taking strong pain meds, then they've been through some pretty horrendous pain. Half the worst pain of your life is not OKAY.
Okay, then. Enough ranting for now. : D
chronic pain
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"So, do I get to pick on you for being loser doper?
Why blame the physician for following the rules the DEA lays down?"
Something I forgot to mention.
Actually, there ARE NO RULES from the DEA. That's one of the main problems.
How can the doctors follow the "rules" when there ARE NO rules?? That's nowhere even NEAR fair for the doctors.
And I'll blame them doctors for any dam thing I want. So there. (just kidding)
p.s. As far as the "loser doper" goes, I've had meds snitched and had to go without them for weeks. Besides MORE PAIN, the only thing that happened was that it was hard to sleep for two nights (none of that depressant action from the pain
[hr]
coming in, which my body had gotten used to), and then I was okay. Except for the massive pain of course. I don't really know, since I'm only me, but I guess there are some people who get addicted and some who don't. ??
Why blame the physician for following the rules the DEA lays down?"
Something I forgot to mention.
Actually, there ARE NO RULES from the DEA. That's one of the main problems.
How can the doctors follow the "rules" when there ARE NO rules?? That's nowhere even NEAR fair for the doctors.
And I'll blame them doctors for any dam thing I want. So there. (just kidding)
p.s. As far as the "loser doper" goes, I've had meds snitched and had to go without them for weeks. Besides MORE PAIN, the only thing that happened was that it was hard to sleep for two nights (none of that depressant action from the pain
[hr]
coming in, which my body had gotten used to), and then I was okay. Except for the massive pain of course. I don't really know, since I'm only me, but I guess there are some people who get addicted and some who don't. ??
chronic pain
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pezenfuego
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Originally Posted by chronic pain
http:///forum/post/3026122
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You might as well be a spammer. You make a negative contribution to the boards.
http:///forum/post/3026122
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You might as well be a spammer. You make a negative contribution to the boards.
