bad news....=new tank..

[d0 thy d3w]

after school tommorow i might be able to post sum updated pics of the tanks process..and ill test for sure...my lmb and snails appear to be okay for now...but i dotn wanna push them to their limits...maybe i can take the lmb to a lfs tommorow and tell them my situation..to try to get in store credit..and buy a replacement fish when all this blows over..

 

[d0 thy d3w]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
What makes you think the fish can't handle cloudy water? If you transferred over all the filtration from your 29, there's no reason why they can't go in the new tank. Here's a little anecdote... A couple of months back I took out all the fish, rock, and sand in my tank. Put the fish in a bucket, dumped in a bag of new sand, put all the rock back in, and put the fish back in within about a half an hour. Nothing happened to the fish, and the water was back to normal the next day. It's dust, not a cloud of poison gas. Anyway, it's up to you to decide what you want to do. If you choose to leave the fish in the bucket overnight, make sure they at least have some heat. Remember, everything in that bucket was at one time shipped overnight (at best) to a LFS in small plastic bags with no light or aeration. They can handle a bucket.
but see..its not just clouds of dust..i tested the water and i got .50 ammonia...not all of the water was taken from the old tank..so ill wait till tommorow to decide wat to do next...

 

[d0 thy d3w]

well..im off to bed now..its nearly 12:30 and ive got school to go to..gotta get up at 6:00 and im NOT a morning person...i like to sleep in past 10:00...but..ill continue to update you all with info on my situation...thanx for the help u guys!

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by d0 thy d3w
but see..its not just clouds of dust..i tested the water and i got .50 ammonia...not all of the water was taken from the old tank..so ill wait till tommorow to decide wat to do next...
What's the water got to do with anything? Ammonia isn't normally present in water. Perhaps the ammonia was actually in the old tank because it hadn't finished cycling yet. If you moved all your equipment over, and you had a properly established nitrogen cycle, either with live rock or some sort of bio media, you shouldn't have any problems. New sand and new water would not add ammonia.

 

[mcbdz]

I'm a newbie, so not saying I know a lot.

I think the amm. is from having to disturb his established sand bed in the move. I would take the LMB to the lfs like you were thinking. Even if your levels stablize quickly you won't have enough algea for him and unless he eats nori for you he will starve anyway. Good luck. Hope it all goes well soon. :cheer: Just remember :What Dosen't kill you, makes you stronger :hilarious .

 

[spanko]

Did I miss it? How much live rock is in the original tank and how much was transferred to the new tank? How long was the original tank up and running? I agree that the ammonia in the new tank could be from the disruption of the sand bed. I believe the additive called Amquel.
"Amquel can be used to control an emergency situation in a toxic tank, but should be viewed as simply an emergency �band-aid� for the situation. If, through any number of reasons, your tank has toxic amounts of ammonia in its water, this ammonia can be bound with Amquel to a non-toxic form within five minutes of introduction to the tank. �Great!� you say, �The ammonia is gone.� But you need to realize that it is not. It is simply currently in a non-toxic form. The ammonia has not been removed from the water. Instead, it has simply been converted into a larger, stable and non-toxic compound (aminomethanesulfonate), free oxygen and hydrogen ions. (See figure 2) This bound ammonia is still available for the Nitrosomonas bacteria to utilize to convert to nitrite in the regular cycle of the tank."
Then some aggressive water changes say 10% every other day will help.
The info I have given you would be okay IMHO if the original tank was a tank that had been through it's initial cycling and was stable, (3 months old or so). If your original tank was still cycling the corrective actions would be a little different.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by mcbdz
I'm a newbie, so not saying I know a lot.

I think the amm. is from having to disturb his established sand bed in the move. I would take the LMB to the lfs like you were thinking. Even if your levels stablize quickly you won't have enough algea for him and unless he eats nori for you he will starve anyway. Good luck. Hope it all goes well soon. :cheer: Just remember :What Dosen't kill you, makes you stronger :hilarious .
I don't subscribe to the theory that disturbing the sandbed releases ammonia. See my post above about replacing all my sand. If something is buried in the sandbed, it decays the same way it would if it were sitting on the substrate or floating in the water. Even if someting is released, whatever biological filtration was present, either in live rock or bio-media, would convert it just like normal.

 

[spanko]

rbaldino, I agree, the distubance to the sandbed does not release ammonia. What it does do is stir up the detritus that is in the sandbed that has not been cleaned but the CUC. This in turn could start a mini cycle until the ammonia is taken care of. Again a short term problem if in fact the original tank had enough original cycle time under it's belt and enough of the original rock and sand was tranferred to the new tank.
Don"t know if this makes sense. JMO

 

[d0 thy d3w]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
What's the water got to do with anything? Ammonia isn't normally present in water. Perhaps the ammonia was actually in the old tank because it hadn't finished cycling yet. If you moved all your equipment over, and you had a properly established nitrogen cycle, either with live rock or some sort of bio media, you shouldn't have any problems. New sand and new water would not add ammonia.
maybe im reading my test kit wrong?? i always have the worst troubles matching up my ammonia test cuz the greens are so dang close....i popped a snail a while ago..ill se how he does..and maybe later ill throw the LMB in and hope for the best.

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by spanko
rbaldino, I agree, the distubance to the sandbed does not release ammonia. What it does do is stir up the detritus that is in the sandbed that has not been cleaned but the CUC. This in turn could start a mini cycle until the ammonia is taken care of. Again a short term problem if in fact the original tank had enough original cycle time under it's belt and enough of the original rock and sand was tranferred to the new tank.
Don"t know if this makes sense. JMO
Again, whether the detritus is buried or sitting on top of the substrate, it's still decaying. And your CUC has a minimal effect on detritus; that's the job of the biological filtration.

 

[d0 thy d3w]

Originally Posted by spanko
rbaldino, I agree, the distubance to the sandbed does not release ammonia. What it does do is stir up the detritus that is in the sandbed that has not been cleaned but the CUC. This in turn could start a mini cycle until the ammonia is taken care of. Again a short term problem if in fact the original tank had enough original cycle time under it's belt and enough of the original rock and sand was tranferred to the new tank.
Don"t know if this makes sense. JMO
i agree with u...im thinki this is what has happened..do ll do sum water changes like ws also sugested earlier..til i catch myself up..aslo i dosed with amquel...so.....im thinkin it should clear up soon...ill post sum more pics later..no that it will help..but w/e

 

[d0 thy d3w]

fish and snails back in the tank and appear to be doing well...ill still be doing 10 persent water changes for the next week or so..(every couple of days).....now if only i had sum carbon on hand to get my water crystal clear again...u can actually see thru the tank pretty visably now...but not nearly as clear as i know it can potentially be

 

[zanoshanox]

how did the fish do throughout the night?

 

[d0 thy d3w]

well..its only one fish..but thats just cuz im savin for a new light..as u can see in the pics i posted, my lighting is way underpowered for coral..but my fish and snails appear to be doing great...the lmb went rigth to his favorite spot in the rocks and looks okay to me...so i think im in the clear...thanx for the help everyone...i have great fishes to be able to put up with me... :happyfish