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[37g joe]

here is aquote from mitzel about my job (OH please its coffee not a rocket ship . And just because you can add a bunch of flavoring and sugars to it doesn't mean your SKILLED. Belive me if you left they could find some other person to make candy coffee For the upities .)
but You tell other people that thier rude and childiesh read your words carefully mitzel you and ruaround need to both grow up stop insulting people and stop being hipocrits.
Now boat racer is alittle harsh but also its not bad to experment. now I do feel fo the fish that lose thier live needlesly for lack of care but if someone intent is to try somethin new to see if it works and thier hapens to be a loss it does prove one thing that that method does not work but if people where not brave and never tryed anything new not a single one of us would have a salt water aquarium we would just except that it could not be done. Humans experiment it does not go as planbed always. but also people call reckless abandonment of reson expermentation and thats not aright either this is a middle ground that we all need to learn

 

[jcrim]

Originally Posted by 37g Joe
Now boat racer is alittle harsh but also its not bad to experment. now I do feel fo the fish that lose thier live needlesly for lack of care but if someone intent is to try somethin new to see if it works and thier hapens to be a loss it does prove one thing that that method does not work but if people where not brave and never tryed anything new not a single one of us would have a salt water aquarium we would just except that it could not be done. Humans experiment it does not go as planbed always. but also people call reckless abandonment of reson expermentation and thats not aright either this is a middle ground that we all need to learn
PUTTING A FISH INTO TOO SMALL OF A TANK IS NOT CREATIVE OR BRAVE!!! IT IS NOT SCIENCE, BEING A PIONEER OR AN EXPERIMENT!!!

Such irresponsible acts have been done many times and they are simply an irresponsible, immature person who has no restraint or good judgment.
Don't argue that having no will power is science... it's stupid.

 

[mitzel]

37g Joe if you hurry you can catch Boat racer and puffy

 

[1journeyman]

Funny how Jcrim and I are so different, but every once in a while he will say something that I can't agree with more....
Being lazy, irresponsible, etc. are not covered by "scientific experimenting". If you want to claim to be an expert; get a degree. Study specimens in their native habit. Study body structures, study cellular structure under a microscope.
Throwing too many fish in a tank and watching them "grow" for a few months is not "advancing" the hobby. It's making us all look bad.

 

[mitzel]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman

Funny how Jcrim and I are so different, but every once in a while he will say something that I can't agree with more....
Being lazy, irresponsible, etc. are not covered by "scientific experimenting". If you want to claim to be an expert; get a degree. Study specimens in their native habit. Study body structures, study cellular structure under a microscope.
Throwing too many fish in a tank and watching them "grow" for a few months is not "advancing" the hobby. It's making us all look bad.
Well put journeyman.

 

[37g joe]

Mitzel thier is no need to be rude on here just becuase some one has seperate opinions than you and is able to show you being hipocrital. dude we are all aquarists did I say what boat was doing was right if any thing I Brought up some valid points and if you had just clearly read through with a rational mind you might not nesecarly agree but at least see where some of us are coming from.
this is the pic of you in your post you seem like a creative person but you shoot down people in this frorum for original thought by way the how old is your daughter my son is 20 monthes old looks about the same age as her depending on how old that pic is

 

[jcrim]

Why would you post a picture of a guy just to argue with him? Does that serve a purpose?

 

[37g joe]

Originally Posted by jcrim
PUTTING A FISH INTO TOO SMALL OF A TANK IS NOT CREATIVE OR BRAVE!!! IT IS NOT SCIENCE, BEING A PIONEER OR AN EXPERIMENT!!!

Such irresponsible acts have been done many times and they are simply an irresponsible, immature person who has no restraint or good judgment.
Don't argue that having no will power is science... it's stupid.
you obviously need to read a little bit more of what I said I am talking about expermention in general I never referedd to puting a oversized fish into a small tank and if you read carefuly I said if you recklessly abandon reason that is NOT AND I REPEAT NOT EXPERMENTION I AGREEDWITH YOU. the ONLY point I was trying to MAKE was that WE NEED to TRY to RE INVENT the WHEEL in a matter of speaking BUT NOT to be RECKLESS about it. DO I NEED TO SPEAK SLOWLY TO YOU. IM not about to drop a bunch of metal in my tank to see it corode just to experment. I know what that reslut would be and I trust the experts. I am just saying in GENERAL thier are certain things as salt water aquarists that we can Discover that can advance this Hobby. Ten years down the road this hobby is gonna have so many new advancements trust me diferent types of lightin different views tank setups and we can help find those new avenews Without abandoning REASON

 

[37g joe]

Originally Posted by jcrim
Why would you post a picture of a guy just to argue with him? Does that serve a purpose?
Why would you mis reppesent what I said this is just becoming a squable and if you cannot tell what im talking about then I dont want to waist my breath on you. it is clear to me that this is going no where fast and well resolve nothing

 

[mitzel]

First off my daughter is of none of your concern. Second I don't care about you or your kid. Third I have dread locks and body piercings that doesn't mean I'm including my self in any kind of alternate thinking group, or that I'm some uneducated idiot, So don't even think you know anything about me .
As far as I'm concerend you had no reason to bring the coffee discusion over to this thread. The point that was made over there was don't EXPECT sympathy for all the hard days of working at starbucks from a bunch of people that think it sucks .
The same goes for My attitude twards BOAT RACER and PUFFER. They both were rude know it all's and felt the need to jump in to discusions just to stir the pot . I'm glade boat racer has claimed to leave and I hope puffer follows his lead . When 99% of the opinions are the same . It's usually a given that the guy with the odd opinion doesn't really know what they are talking about. All the advice that was shared was also involving aggressive fish . I assume you understand the issues that revolve around aggressive set up and that over loading them biologicaly is not an option. So untill you your self have some serious experiance and understanding of aggressive setups I wouldn't jump to their defence to quickly.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by 37g Joe
Now boat racer is alittle harsh but also its not bad to experment. now I do feel fo the fish that lose thier live needlesly for lack of care but if someone intent is to try somethin new to see if it works and thier hapens to be a loss it does prove one thing that that method does not work but if people where not brave and never tryed anything new not a single one of us would have a salt water aquarium...
Joe, I think that's the part of your quote that people disagree with. you seem to be siding with Boatracer by saying that experimenting is ok.. that as long as you are "trying something new" it is ok even if fish die.
Experimenting needs to be done within a very controlled environment.

 

[37g joe]

You still dont get it!

 

[jcrim]

Originally Posted by 37g Joe
you obviously need to read a little bit more of what I said I am talking about expermention in general I never referedd to puting a oversized fish into a small tank and if you read carefuly I said if you recklessly abandon reason that is NOT AND I REPEAT NOT EXPERMENTION I AGREEDWITH YOU. the ONLY point I was trying to MAKE was that WE NEED to TRY to RE INVENT the WHEEL in a matter of speaking BUT NOT to be RECKLESS about it. DO I NEED TO SPEAK SLOWLY TO YOU. IM not about to drop a bunch of metal in my tank to see it corode just to experment. I know what that reslut would be and I trust the experts. I am just saying in GENERAL thier are certain things as salt water aquarists that we can Discover that can advance this Hobby. Ten years down the road this hobby is gonna have so many new advancements trust me diferent types of lightin different views tank setups and we can help find those new avenews Without abandoning REASON
Leettt mmmeeee ssspeeeaaaakkkk ssslllooowwwwlllyyy ffffoooorrrrr yyyyoooouuuu.... in the context of this discussion we were talking about cramming a lot of fish into a small tank. Specifically, the original poster is arguing that his 10 aggressives, including a green moray, are fine in a 75 gallon tank. To jump in and argue that experimentation is ok is obviously related to this discussion, right? Or did you just bring in your left field comment to try to sound intelligent?

 

[mitzel]

Well somebody doesn't get it but I don't think it us .

 

[mitzel]

since you want to quote others .
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
so that you dont remain ignorant how about I educate you. a cup of coffee at starbucks say a grande 16 ounce is 1.72 after tax I live in washington state. Starbucks only uses the best Beans. but they pay above market prices to the farmers so if you want cheap coffee where large corperations take advantage of the coffee growers and make it so that they cant survive off what they give them for thier beans buy coffee some where else also starbucks is a great company to work for. they build schools create clean water development projects in the comunities where they grow coffee open up hospitals. that all takes money. but guess what they dont brag about it so thats probably why you have never heard about it. and to get a drink that is over 5 dolars buddy you have to add alot of stuff. the people behing the counter have to do all that work just like a bartender how much do you pay for a spectialy alchaolic drink and usually those drinks take less work then what we are creatin and less time say if I wanted to make a triple ristreto venti 7 pump sugar free vanila 180 soy three equal extra foamy carmale machiato. I know how to make that if its just a cup of cofee you tell me how to make that. it takes skilll and if you think I should get paid bairly anything so you can save a dollar than maybe you can pay for my salt water aquarium. how many companies do you know that give partime workers full medical benifets at a resonable price. people like you frustrait me. you can only see from your point of view people are orderin a specialty drink that takes time and money to make. the machines that we use alon are over $20,000 dolars they take alot of money to maintain. and even just a cup of coffee as you call it cost a good amount of money starbucks brews fresh batches of cofee every houur to ensure that your cup of coffee is fresh at a comapy I used to work at would use the same coffee until it ran out even if that ment it was 5 hours old. and if you dont like the taste of the starbucks blends you have had try verona its a starbucks blend that isnt as sharpe and dark as others

Hmmmm that first line just set the tone doesn't it . "so that you dont remain ignorant how about I educate you". Tends to jest set the mood for us lower class people.