Benghazi, It's Baaa-aaack

aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack#post_3544810
And it doesnt happen all the time. We haven't had an ambasador killed since 1979.
Try again.

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-embassy-attacks-and-bombings-recent-history-782665

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities

I guess US personnel and diplomats don't count. You have to be an ambassador for it to matter, and to have some National Inquirer conspiracy theory spearheaded by the ignorant Republicans in Congress to get that distinction.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack#post_3544815








Is your reading comprehension that bad? Can you not read the DIRECT transcripts of exactly what he said the day after this incident occurred? You NeoCon's edit direct words that come out of someone's mouth, twist them to fit your warped agendas, spew it out on the Internet, and by that "living in the bubble" mentality, "If I say he said it that way enough times, then obviously that's what he said". LMFAO.

The Washington post agrees with me. You claiming to have superior reading comprehension to them? 4 Pinocchios from them, not a me, not a neocon, not the Koch brothers. Next excuse.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack#post_3544817


A continuation of "He said, she said". WHO FRICKIN' CARES!!!!!! You can't change history. You idiots just want someone in the Obama Administration to come back and say "Oh yeah. We knew the entire incident was going to happen, and due to our ignorance, we let it happen. The death of four Americans was just "collateral damage"." Then you can stand there like a bunch of pre-school ninny's yelling "Nanny, nanny, boo, boo! We told you they lied!" MULTIPLE reports have come out after the fallout of this incident. A Review Board has determined all these conspiracy theories were false, and no evidence of misconduct or foul play was found. Policies and procedures have been put in place to avert this from happening again. IT'S DONE. GET OVER IT. All this political posturing is making the Republicans look like total idiots to the American voters. They're sick of the same broken record whining coming out of their mouths - Benghazi, Obamacare, gay marriage, abortion. You NeoCon bleaters need to find something better to do with your time. You know, like fix the economy and find ways to improve job opportunities. If the Republicans spent as much time on all the needless deaths that occurred because of Bush's War as they do with this incident, we'd be hearing this crap coming out of their mouths for the next decade.

So you claim to be smarter than all these news organizations reporting the FACTS Only the name has changed. The stupid remains LOL! How about the administration starts by admitting they lied to protect 0bama's campaign narrative. Then we can get to the reasons the security was the way it was. It isn't like people think they set out to have the embassy staff killed but it would be nice to know why they didn't want a stronger security presence there.
 
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I wonder if we can compare this to Bush's talking points (and lies) about why the USA needed to invade Iraq?

Obama and Hillary were negligent to beef up security in Benghazi. That is backed by the findings of the Senate Select Committee Intelligence Report regarding Benghazi. You can extrapolate that the Administration failed to provide enough security to the American facilities in Libya which resulted in the death of 4 Americans. Yes, predictably the administration is not going to emphasize its failures nor shortcoming....no presidency would have. But, it still didn't rise to the level of lying to Americans in order to get us into a war we had no business in which did result in the death of over 4,000 Americans and the countless other wrecked lives of Americans.

The Mid-Terms are coming up and Hillary will soon be announcing her run for 2016, so lets keep Benghazi alive and kicking.
 
aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544824
Can you tell me the difference between those attacks and this one?
I'm not biting this time. Let's hear your rationale how this attack was different from any other attack where a US citizen was killed in that region. Let me guess. We knew this one was coming and we ignored the obvious. I'm waiting for you conspiracy theorist to start the jabber about the "secret CIA mission" in Benghazi.
 
beth

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I haven't heard anything to convince me that the Obama Adm. knowingly tried to get the victims killed. That doesn't make sense. Yes, we should have left Libya alone and stuck our nose out of whatever was going on there instead of mucking up our hands with yet another regime change. That was the bigger issue then whatever failures occurred in Benghazi.

Benghazi has been so utter politicized that it's turned the tragedy of American lives lost in to a soapbox against Obama and a jab at Hillary's potential run for presidency.
 
darthtang aw

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I am looking at the amount of security detail at a libyan embassy compared to an embassy in frankfurt germany that is not in a volatile region.
 
darthtang aw

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Beth, i tend to agree with you. It is politicized far more than it should be. Then again i grow tired of administrations stonewalling and hiding things of interest. So ething is being hidden and that does bother me. It seems with each administration there are scandals left and right. All hiding so ething. All wasting taxpayer dollars in investigations, committees, hearings. Etc. none of these hearings ever seem to result in any sort of justice and just tend to create more smoke and mirrors. It is all empty threats and conjecture. Look at the IRS hearings. These hearings. Etc. and they are all down party lines. Benghazi was tragic. Maybe there could have been a different outcome. But we cant learn anything to help prevent this in the future when people hide crap.
Everything aggie posts is in defense of the administration. Everything reef posts is placing blame at their feet neither action will allow us to learn and prevent in the future. Everyone is in "gotcha" mode. Even bringing up "well bush did this" adds to the whole gotcha mode and is somehow justification for what happenned and why.
We were promised transparency. Can anyone honestly say this administration has been transparent?
 
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I am a heck more upset about IRS than Benghazi. The IRS is downright criminal behavior and every and anyone involved needs to go to jail. Benghazi was blunderous or, to be generous, hindsight would have made a difference. I don't believe there is a conspiracy involved there, except to keep it as toned down and out of the public eye as possible (but that is true for whoever is in charge who makes a big error in judgment--no one is going to advertise their mistakes).

Benghazi is being pushed by Republicans because HRC is going to run in 2016 and this mishap was under her watch. They will milk it for every ounce they can, pure and simple. In all honesty, unless some wild provable conspiracy materializes, I think most Americans see this as a non-issue when assessing whether or not to vote for Hillary. 4 Americans died which was tragic. Hillary didn't conspire to kill them and I don't think her department was willfully and abhorrently negligent--though there was negligence somewhere. There was negligence resulting in 911 as well which was far more reaching then Benghazi. We don't have a perfect government and everyone knows that.
 
aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544859
Beth, i tend to agree with you. It is politicized far more than it should be. Then again i grow tired of administrations stonewalling and hiding things of interest. So ething is being hidden and that does bother me. It seems with each administration there are scandals left and right. All hiding so ething. All wasting taxpayer dollars in investigations, committees, hearings. Etc. none of these hearings ever seem to result in any sort of justice and just tend to create more smoke and mirrors. It is all empty threats and conjecture. Look at the IRS hearings. These hearings. Etc. and they are all down party lines. Benghazi was tragic. Maybe there could have been a different outcome. But we cant learn anything to help prevent this in the future when people hide crap.
Everything aggie posts is in defense of the administration. Everything reef posts is placing blame at their feet neither action will allow us to learn and prevent in the future. Everyone is in "gotcha" mode. Even bringing up "well bush did this" adds to the whole gotcha mode and is somehow justification for what happenned and why.
We were promised transparency. Can anyone honestly say this administration has been transparent?
I'm not defending this administration. As both you and Beth stated, there was some miscommunication and "blunders" how everyone involved with protecting that region "dropped the ball" when it came to protecting that Embassy. Was it the right decision to hold off sending in more assistance from the base within 30 minutes of the Embassy that night? The Republicans want to inject some conspiracy theories about why those in charge simply didn't deploy soldiers immediately instead of assessing the situation first before making a decision to send more help. There is blame to be had on both sides of this scenario. The Review Board came up with recommendations to rectify the inefficiencies and obvious miscommunications that occurred that caused this tragedy, and the administration promised to implement them immediately. I just don't see the point on dwelling on who did what when. If another incident like this occurs again on this administration's watch, every person involved should be fully accountable for their actions, including the President.
 
darthtang aw

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You are the guy that put blame all on Stevens. Shifting blame from the administration to those that were killed. I am curious how stevens death is the fault of the republican party.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544826
I wonder if we can compare this to Bush's talking points (and lies) about why the USA needed to invade Iraq?

Obama and Hillary were negligent to beef up security in Benghazi. That is backed by the findings of the Senate Select Committee Intelligence Report regarding Benghazi. You can extrapolate that the Administration failed to provide enough security to the American facilities in Libya which resulted in the death of 4 Americans. Yes, predictably the administration is not going to emphasize its failures nor shortcoming....no presidency would have. But, it still didn't rise to the level of lying to Americans in order to get us into a war we had no business in which did result in the death of over 4,000 Americans and the countless other wrecked lives of Americans.

The Mid-Terms are coming up and Hillary will soon be announcing her run for 2016, so lets keep Benghazi alive and kicking.
I don't think reaching the same conclusion about Iraq having WMD's Bill Clinton did and being wrong about it reaches the same level as intentionally lying to protect a political campaign but in any case, I don't think Benghazi would hurt Clinton unless there is a very lame reason for not having enough security there. All she has to say is she was misled too as far as the fabricated story about a protest goes. She doesn't get to decide what intelligence gets released.
 
beth

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reefraff, I don't believe what Clinton said while he was president is relevant to what Bush said and did several yrs later. A lot of bad places have WMD. Why don't we invade N. Korea? Oh, I know. Bush planned to invade NK however, he wasn't able to do so because events in Iraq was not as smooth sailing as we'd hoped.....not throwing welcoming flowers at our military guys by grateful natives.

Hillary has already admitted responsibility for Benghazi. I haven't heard her say that she did everything right. Also, its Obama's Adm, not Hillary's. Who knows what she might say about it once she officially runs.
 
darthtang aw

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Why don't we invade N. Korea? 
because of their Chinese backing and the implications it would have on a significant scale to the economy and the World Economy.
The Iraq war was more about world economic stability than WMD. This is just my humble opinion. From an economic standpoint on a global scale as well as our own to a larger degree., Hussein needed to go. But you can't sell it to the people that way.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544914
reefraff, I don't believe what Clinton said while he was president is relevant to what Bush said and did several yrs later. A lot of bad places have WMD. Why don't we invade N. Korea? Oh, I know. Bush planned to invade NK however, he wasn't able to do so because events in Iraq was not as smooth sailing as we'd hoped.....not throwing welcoming flowers at our military guys by grateful natives.

Hillary has already admitted responsibility for Benghazi. I haven't heard her say that she did everything right. Also, its Obama's Adm, not Hillary's. Who knows what she might say about it once she officially runs.
Clinton was president, and receiving the intelligence reports up until January 19th 2001. Bush made the "axis of evil" comments in the state of the union address about 1 year later. Do you honestly believe Clinton would have kept quiet and let Hillary vote for the invasion 18 months after he left office if what Bush was claiming wasn't exactly what he believed as well?
 
beth

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544915
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544914
Why don't we invade N. Korea?
The Iraq war was more about world economic stability than WMD. This is just my humble opinion. From an economic standpoint on a global scale as well as our own to a larger degree., Hussein needed to go. But you can't sell it to the people that way.
Yep. So, clearly WMD was a boatload of BS.

reefraff, whether he had them or not, there was not cause for USA to declare war on another country. A lot of countries have WMDs (such as NK) and they are a lot more of threat to us. I didn't see Clinton declaring war, or even advocating for it.

We went for the oil. We got the oil. Mission Accomplished.
 
darthtang aw

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reefraff, I don't believe what Clinton said while he was president is relevant to what Bush said and did several yrs later.  A lot of bad places have WMD.  Why don't we invade N. Korea?  Oh, I know.  Bush planned to invade NK however, he wasn't able to do so because events in Iraq was not as smooth sailing as we'd hoped.....not throwing welcoming flowers at our military guys by grateful natives.
Hillary has already admitted responsibility for Benghazi.  I haven't heard her say that she did everything right.  Also, its Obama's Adm, not Hillary's.  Who knows what she might say about it once she officially runs.
We went for the oil.  We got the oil.  Mission Accomplished.
I wouldn't agree with that statement. It was about oil. But not for us.
The sanctions and other violations along with the thought of wmd were what sparked the issue. Since those things were going to be hampering the global market in the near future.
 
beth

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397608/benghazi-its-baaa-aaack/20#post_3544928
I wouldn't agree with that statement. It was about oil. But not for us.
The sanctions and other violations along with the thought of wmd were what sparked the issue. Since those things were going to be hampering the global market in the near future.
I do agree. We went to war so that our allies can have oil.
 
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