Black stuff growing in tank

arv99t

Member
I have black almost looks like webs growing on the bottom of my tank. I have been told by our local pet shop that it needs to stay, but looking through pics of other peoples tanks I dont see this. I live in a small town and only one shop does salt water tanks. He has two very small ones and only gets in a few fish a week and will order something certain if you ask for it. I will try to get some pics posted soon. I love the tank but would like some better directions than I seem to get from him. Its almost been set up for 2 months.
 

ginnboy

Member
welcome and u have came to the right place for help post a picture and I'm sure you will get a answer
 

spanko

Active Member

Looks like you have some Cyanobacteria. There are multiple threads on here concerning it, its causes, its cure. Here is some info, use the search function here to find more.
Cyanobacteria, AKA Red Slime
Here's a little background to help you understand it.
Cyanobacteria in itself is pretty interesting stuff. Cyano is one of the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old. This says a lot for its ability to adapt. And though we find it unsightly and it can be destructive to an extent in the marine tank, it is one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria. Among other things, it's an important provider of nitrogen fertilizer in the cultivation of rice and beans. It is photosynthetic and can manufacture its own food while producing oxygen. It also feeds off of organic materials in our closed systems. Not all of these organic substances can be removed by skimming and despite best plans and actions aquarists frequently run into some cyanobacteria problems, especially when their systems are going through initial cycling and settling in. Slime algae" can come in shades of blue-green, red, brown, and black.
What causes it?
As mentioned previously, it is caused by excess organics in a system. This can be brought on by excess feeding, overstocking, lack of filtration, infrequent water changing or from the excess nutrients from cycling a new system. Also, because it is photosynthetic, long light cycles encourage growth.
How do I get rid of it?
The best way to get to battle cyano would be diligent tank maintenance. A combination of regular water changes, great filtration, not over feeding or over stocking, manual removal and good water flow. Regular water changes will help remove organics and lower nitrate and phosphate levels which are large fueling sources. Regular testing will help you keep your level in check but, keep in mind that test kits can only measure inorganic phosphorus. If any phosphates show in your testing, this means there is a higher amount of organic phosphates. Anything above 0.03ppm should be lowered asap. I feel at this point I should also add that using tap water may be adding to the problem. Testing your tap water would be advised. Some tap water contains phosphates and nitrates in which case RO/DI water would be necessary for top offs and salt mixing. Other things that may help are adding more waterflow to your tank. Cyano will thrive in low flow stagnant areas. Manual removal will help as well. Siphoning the cyano from your sand/gravel and rocks with airline tubing will help remove bulk amounts of cyano. Be sure to remove any cyano that you wipe from the sides of the tank as well. Feed less. Just because the fish swim to the top like spoiled dogs begging doesn't mean they need fed every time you walk past the tank. Actually, it's good practice to skip a day of feeding. Many aquarists feed every other day. Commercially prepared foods contain a lot of phosphates as well. A homemade frozen blender mush* is a good alternative frozen food. This is a mix of fresh seafood and vitamins thats not full of preservatives. If feeding daily, feed small amounts so there isn't a lot of excess food laying around. If feeding frozen foods, thaw the food in some tank water and drain before feeding. Care should also be taken when feeding inverts/corals. It's easy to overfeed so be wary of adding too much. Few animals will feed on cyano and only as a last resort for food. Some hermits may pick at it and nerite snails are said to eat it but the only true consumer is strombus sp. Introducing macros that will compete for the nutrients will help as well. Lastly, there are several chemical products on the market that can be used to control cyano. These can be a mixed blessing. While it may control and/or eliminate your cyanobacteria, these fixes are usually temporary. Cyano being so adaptable, unless you change the conditions in your tank that is causing the problem in the first place, it will often adjust itself to the new chemicals and reappear over time.
 

spanko

Active Member
In closing, cyanobacteria is not the end of the world. Algaes of all types are to be expected in a new system. When the tank first cycles, there is an over abundance of nutrient and as a result much larger than needed bacterial populations. Once the nutrient load is reduced and fish added (or inverts), the bacteria start to die off. The nutrient bound up in these bacteria then become a great source of algae fuel. Once the tank reaches a more static level (waste in/waste out), these algaes subside naturally for the most part albeit unsightly for the short term if the conditions/removal suggestions are followed. Limit nutrients through regular water changing, careful feeding, limiting use of supplements, proper lighting, adequate filtration, circulation and aeration, and the addition of macro algaes. If you do have an outbreak of cyanobacteria, look for the fuel source. Things like lack of competing algaes, overabundance of chemicals and foods, as well as stagnant, low oxygenated water are pretty easy fixes and are better for the long term health of your tank.
Resources:
WetWebMedia ucmp.berkeley.edu
 

arv99t

Member
Thanks for the help, but now I think I am more confused than I was. I have had two different local people tell me its good and to leave it. Is there a reason some people say it needs to stay? I did notice the black at the lfs so assumed it did need to be there. I think its awful looking, but really thought it should be there. My husbands cousin has had a tank for years and of course his has had it and his fish are all doing wonderful. I guess the last two reasons are why I am so confused. I will do some more reading. I guess this is what I get for trusting someone to help with a tank that I did little research on first.
 

arv99t

Member
I also just read that leaving the lights on too long can cause this problem. How ofter should my lights be on. Yes I guess that is a really stupid question. Should they only be on while I am home or should I invest in a timer for them to go on and off????? Its a 55 gal tank.
 

teresaq

Active Member
About 8 hrs on the lights. How old are your bulbs?? What type of lights
How often are you feeding?
Do you have and sandsifting snails?
Florida Cerith snails range in size from an inch to 2''. These snails will consume diatoms, detritus, cyano and algae in the substrate as well as on rocks, and glass in your aquarium
T
 

stanlalee

Active Member
Originally Posted by arv99t
http:///forum/post/3050689
Thanks for the help, but now I think I am more confused than I was. I have had two different local people tell me its good and to leave it. Is there a reason some people say it needs to stay? I did notice the black at the lfs so assumed it did need to be there. I think its awful looking, but really thought it should be there. My husbands cousin has had a tank for years and of course his has had it and his fish are all doing wonderful. I guess the last two reasons are why I am so confused. I will do some more reading. I guess this is what I get for trusting someone to help with a tank that I did little research on first.
there is no reason it needs to stay. siphon it out. it may keep coming back until the fuel source is gone (organics and phosphates) but usually it works itself out in time.
 
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