Brine shrimp

[unleashed]

Well this one I know is going to ruffle a few feathers, But Im seeing a patern here with this particualr food.As we all know fw feeders are not good for sw fish right? so why would fw shrimp be any different! if you ask your self and come up with I dunno .theres a reason for that,there isnt any difference at all.Im on this forum every day and other forums as well and I see the same thing repetedly.example I baught a new today and he ate fine for a day or 2 and now he wont eat (questins by others ) what did you feed them(reply) brine shrimp.now think about it for minute before calling me crazy .how many post have you accually read with this exact statement .I cant count as many as ive read its been numerous for 4 yrs.id say 75% with ending results in death.yes theer is a 25 % ratio give or take that servived the ich ,the starvation and countless amount of malnurishment. most think because a LFS sell it it must be ok for using or they use it themselves in the stores.WRONG they sell it because its cheep and in demand its pure profit for them they make a couple bucks off of every pennys worth of live brine.aslo if they use its for the same reason its cheep.LFS dont keep fish for ling ,there goal is to keep them alive for the duration they spend in the store once it last 24 hrs in your tank its your problem not theres.Brine has NO nutritional value WHATSOEVER to sw fish.the first week in your tank is the most crucial for the health of your new fish .Diet and lowest amount of stress possible is what keeps them healthy .So I ask WHY would anyone start there new oh yes and might I add expencive new fish on food that has no nutritional value what so ever and think it will stay healthy?IMO if you wanted a cheep hobby you wouldnt be into sw fish at all.these fish are not going to find brine shrimp in there natural habitat why would you use it in the habitat you created for it.that being said most of us agree that feeding fw feederfish to agresive fish can cause liver problems due to the fatty content so most of us abide by this statement and use other sources.we want our fish to last for yrs .so why is it so widely acceptable to basicly starve it to death .and yes this is the end result in feeding brine to sw fish. when we have so much of there own natural foods at our disposal.

 

[ruaround]

unleashed...although your post is kind of hard to follow, I think I agree...
if what you are saying is ... why do people have problems feeding their fish, and why feed the fish something that doesn't even nourish the fish?
Its lack of research on the purchasers part, and the LFS trying to make a buck...

 

[bang guy]

Hear, hear!

 

[debbie]

Okay as a new hobbyist, may I ask you what you would feed a dwarf lionfish?
My lion has been raised on frozen foods, not saying that it won't eat live but if live is not available and the fish is eating frozen everyday then what do you suggest as a balance diet for these fish?
Deb

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Debbie
Okay as a new hobbyist, may I ask you what you would feed a dwarf lionfish?
My lion has been raised on frozen foods, not saying that it won't eat live but if live is not available and the fish is eating frozen everyday then what do you suggest as a balance diet for these fish?
Deb
If your lionfish is eating frozen change nothing. If you are only feeding frozen brine you have a nutritional problem.
Brins shrimp lose the desired nutrition within 8 hours or so of hatching. After this time all is gone....so you just as well feed the animal Doritos. SOme frozen brine include vitamins so there is some marginal benefit.
Freshly hatched brine are loaded with the desired nutrition......but as times goes on..they use it up as they rapidly develop.
I doubt many lfs employess and maybe many owners even know this.

 

[unleashed]

Originally Posted by Debbie
Okay as a new hobbyist, may I ask you what you would feed a dwarf lionfish?
My lion has been raised on frozen foods, not saying that it won't eat live but if live is not available and the fish is eating frozen everyday then what do you suggest as a balance diet for these fish?
Deb
well its not what I suggest its what the expert suggest a variety of meaty foods such as krill, mysis shrimp ,squid ,scallops, small fish portions, shrimp,small silver slides.one thing alone cannot give a balence of nutrients so it is very important to give a variety.each species of foods I just listed eats a varied diet also but differ in alot of ways.there for by feeding a variety you ensure proper nurtients to be eaten by your your fish.this is a guide for almost all species of fish whether it be carnivore ,herbavore or omnivore.carnivores get there veggie nutrients by eating herbavores.

 

[debbie]

What I have been doing is mixing the brine, mysis and krill together for variety. I tried mysis on its own and the lion would not touch it, but once mixed with the brine and I only use a small piece it readily gobbles it up.
What I would like to do though is add some finely chopped up shrimp, scallop and squid to her diety. I know that I will probably have to use a tiny bit of brine and mix it well as I have been doing but do you think she would eat this mixture?
I don't want to feed live at all, I bought this young lion being fed frozen so I would like to keep it this way.
Deb

 

[unleashed]

the only food I have ever used that included brine was emerald entrese frozen algae cubes.its just a space filler is all.if you add 2 drops of garlic extreme to every thawed meal you will find your fish to be more willing to eat it.also its very good fo getting finiky eaters to accept foods.if hes very young you might want o try prepaired chopped foods that are loaded with extras vit to ensure better health.what I do at feeding time I mix in a cup the smaller foods in together such as mysis shrimp ,emerald entrese.phlankton cubes,squid yum yums and a bit of cyclopseze ,add 2 drops of garlic extreme.for my larger agressive fish I add to a different cup larger shrimp peices krill larger squid silver slides.fresh raw fish peices add the garlic extreme and a little selcon thaw then then feed.sometimes I just use one type of larger food and alternate the days I hand feed all my fish eccept the eel him I stick feed.I feed this way every evening.and flake or pellet in the morning I also alternate that.if you feed your carnivores daily not only do they grow faster but they tend to not gorge themselves at each feeding.yes you hav more fish waste but you also have healthier more colorful fish

 

[debbie]

Can you tell me if Selcon can foul a tank?
Which would be better to mix with my foods, the Selcon or Garlic Extreme?
Deb

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by Debbie
Can you tell me if Selcon can foul a tank?
Which would be better to mix with my foods, the Selcon or Garlic Extreme?
Deb
Both are good..used in moderation it is find as a food soak. But to answer your question..yes it could if you used too much

 

[unleashed]

I use the selcon a couple times per week small amounts,but he garlic extreme I use every day.both are very useful for fish that wont eat I add directly to the tank the nutrients are then absorbed through the gills

 

[debbie]

Thank you to you both
Deb

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Debbie
Okay as a new hobbyist, may I ask you what you would feed a dwarf lionfish?
My lion has been raised on frozen foods, not saying that it won't eat live but if live is not available and the fish is eating frozen everyday then what do you suggest as a balance diet for these fish?
Deb
Frozen Mysis Shrimp, chunks of scallops, shrimp or fish, pieces of Silversides or Lancefish. Frozen food is fine, just not Brine SHrimp.

 

[unleashed]

your most welcome

 

[titan]

I feed an ever changing diet and on the menu every few days is frozen bio-encapsulated multi-vitamin spirulina Brine shrimp. I've only been in the hobby a little over six years and never had an issue with any livestock sick etc. but for sure feeding strictly brine is not good!

 

[bang guy]

Basically, think of Brine Shrimp as a grocery bag. They are about as nutritious as what you put in them or what they just ate.

 

[lion_crazz]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
Basically, think of Brine Shrimp as a grocery bag. They are about as nutritious as what you put in them or what they just ate.
good way to look at it bang.

 

[triggered]

We feed ours carnivore pellets and krill. (And now maybe baby hermits

).........Peace

 

[coachklm]

I see a Sticky coming.........Nutritional Needs Of Fish. because I was clueless I "was" until today when i read this, doing a mixture of brine shrimp and bloodworms frozen is this ok or do I need to invade the LFS again for krill and stuff? :help:
great subject here
and i dont have an aggressive tank unless you count my damsel so i have a pest tank

 

[bang guy]

I honestly don't know the nutritional qualities of Midge Larvae (Bloodworms). In my opinion Artemia (Brine Shrimp) and Midge Larvae are not natural foods for saltwater animals so I wouldn't use them. It seems to me that a mix of Krill and other seafood would supply the nutrients required.