Bullet Proof GARF reef aquarium question

aczmey

Member
Hello everyone!!! Doing some research for my new tank I found this website xxxx where this organization seems to have many aquariums and they started them almost without any cycling. They say that you can have a reef in 2 weeks. In addition they claim that tanks will have little or none of unwanted algae. The question is this really possible or GARF just trying to sell us something. It seems that they only sell their coral cuttings and cleanup crews and as I noticed that they extensively use ARAGOCRETETM ROCK but they don’t seem to sell it. It all seem way to unrealistic to me but the idea is great. If somebody knows more about it please share your thoughts or knowledge. :confused:
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biohazard102

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Order from another website, such as saltwaterfish.com I have had great succses, and also if you plan to keep expensive corals, stay away from scarlet hermits, pigmy angles and worry about filtration. The stuff there trying to sell you will not do much. You will always have to clean you glass manually.
Biohazard102
 
I have seen this site myself and really read what they had to say, I just find it hard to believe that some of the tanks shown were accomplished by children 12 and under. There are too many distractions for kids of that age to have such awesome looking tanks.
It is possible to grow coral from frag's, because they are always growing, but personally I would buy coral from a reputible source (SWF.com) and learn how to go about splicing them properly. I tried this with my purple gorgonian, and (done properly) it does work.
just my .02
Dan
 

wrigley11

Member
About GARF not being a good source is the furthest from the truth... To be honest thier one of the best sources bescause everything they sell they grow.
Unlike other sources they are not the middle
man simply making a profit off of it. At least when you buy from GARF you know where the itme came from and that it was healthy when shipped. ACZmey, I've dealt with them and even seen their shop on a vacaction - grade A place -
 

kelly

Member
ACZmey,
Welcome to the board... For the most part their information is correct. Having live sand will take out most of the cycle time, but you have to consider some other things. If you purchase live sand over the net, you could have some die off, which will cause a rise in ammonia, creating a cycle. It may not be a major cycle since there is already nitrifying bacteria in the sand.
Even though the nitrifying bacteria is there, there are 2 basic groups of bacteria, aerobic, and anerobic. One likes oxygen, the other does not. This is the reason for the deep sand bed. If you were to purchase live sand, and just put it in to you tank. then anerobic bacteria will need to be "deprived of oxygen" to do it's work. The 2 types of bacteria work together to remove ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. (Actually converting it, but no sense going in to exact details here.)
By having no nitrates, the hair algae does not have food to sustain it. (The article also states "no reef tank will be completely without algae", they use janitors to keep it in control, they offer the same "janitors" on this site, referred to as a clean-up crew.) The proper spectrum of lighting will also help keep hair algae from being a problem. Their basic system does work well, as long as you know/understand the basics. As far as their lighting goes, I have the same lighting and it works well for me, but there is a possibility that they may be slightly deceiving here also, but I do not know for sure since I have not asked them yet.
I read a different article than the one that you have referenced here. In it the referred to a ballast to run 3 40W bulbs. They may be using the IceCap 660 ballast to power these bulbs (2 tritons and 1 50/50 actinic in the other article). This ballast will increase the output of those bulbs to about the same output as VHO bulbs. (this may be the deceitful part...)
As LetTheirBeRock said, they do sell their homemade aragocrete™ rocks. In other articles from their site, I read that they cure their aragocrete™ rocks, I guess because of the portland cement used in them. If they are cured in saltwater, this is a plus in the fact, it is like getting pre-cured live rock.
You can do the same thing by purchasing the same materials from you local fish store, provided they offer it, and in the same time period. They really have not come up with anything new, just have made it work for them. Yes they are trying to sell you something, but in the same respect, the have given you a lot of information at no cost to you.
They have done a fair amount of research in coral propogation, and it works well. Just like this site, there is a lot of things you can learn at both places. Here you have many people in the hobby willing to share their successes and failures here. We have nothing to gain by sharing our information, except for helping our fellow reefers.
Continue to read and learn, there is much good information to be learned.
Best of luck
 

aczmey

Member
I buy my stock at Inland Aquatics http://www.inlandaquatics.com (Terre Haute, I live two blocks from them) which is ran by Morgan Lidster. You may have read about him in aquarium magazines. They have premium life stock and nice return, exchange policy plus very knowledgeable staff. (if you live locally). I do not know much about their shipping out business. I never buy life stock online because of uncertainty of its survival and because I like to see what I am actually getting. But that GARF stuff looked very unbelievable. I think they try to take advantage of people’s impatience to make money. I hope we will have more opinions about this issue. Is there is anybody that went by their system without destroying the whole stock?
 
they are a good source for tank raised corals. you can also call them anytime they have a staff that will answer all your questions. there website isnt well put together though but they sell everything thats on there.
 
Personally, I worship the gods of GARF. The guys there are more than happy to talk to you concerning propogation and maintenance. They also work to save reefs by propogation, and get an A for that in my book.
 

salth2o

Member
GARF gets an A+ in my book. I recently ordered their 7 pack of SPS corals for $100. They sent me 10! The extra one's labeled with a smiley face. Everything was delievered quite professionaly. 3 died. Guess what, they replaced the 3 AND did not charge me for shipping.
The aragocrete - I just finished making my first batch. I used a 5 to 1 ratio of argonite sea floor grade with the portland cement #1. I then sprinkled the crushed aragonite sand. I guess they look ok?
Before bashing garf, please do a little research.
 
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