calcium is 540. ph is only 7.4, help!

reefnut

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Originally Posted by puffer32
Thats whty i add the essentila elements, it has magnesium in it, which i was hoping would keep my water stable

I wouldn't rely on it... testing mag is always a good idea... some have no problems maintaining their's, other like myself have to add it regularly... even with frequent water changes.
 

puffer32

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Should i get a mag test? And if its low, should i add some? I got some great new zoos and mushrooms sunday that are not opening, all my other corals are fine except my leather and button polops, is that because of the low ph and why hasn't it affected my other corals? I have lots of zoos, mushrooms, trumpet coral, colt, greenstar polops, brain, plate, tons of other stuff that are fine.
 

reefnut

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Originally Posted by puffer32
My calcium is as low as its ever been, it was 580 for months
What salt are you using?? What test kits are you using??
 
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thomas712

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Originally Posted by matty0h_52

Well in that case brings up another question....how does that explain the low PH when the ALK is too high. I thought it was the other way around?

Alkalinity is a measure of the buffering capacity of water, or the capacity of bases to neutralize acids. Alkalinity does not refer to pH, but instead refers to the ability of water to resist change in pH. The presence of buffering materials help neutralize acids as they are added to the water. These buffering materials are primarily the bases bicarbonate (HCO3-), and carbonate (CO32-), and occasionally hydroxide (OH-), borates, silicates, phosphates, ammonium, sulfides, and organic ligands.
Waters with low alkalinity are very susceptible to changes in pH. Waters with high alkalinity are able to resist major shifts in pH. As increasing amounts of acid are added to a water body, the pH of the water decreases, and the buffering capacity of the water is consumed. If natural buffering materials are present, pH will drop slowly to around 6; then a rapid pH drop occurs as the bicarbonate buffering capacity (CO32- and HCO3-) is used up. At pH 5.5, only very weak buffering ability remains, and the pH drops further with additional acid. A solution having a pH below 4.5 contains no alkalinity, because there are no CO32- or HCO3- ions left.
Alkalinity not only helps regulate the pH of a water body, but also the metal content. Bicarbonate and carbonate ions in water can remove toxic metals (such as lead, arsenic, and cadmium) by precipitating the metals out of solution.
 

reefnut

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Originally Posted by puffer32
Should i get a mag test? And if its low, should i add some? I got some great new zoos and mushrooms sunday that are not opening, all my other corals are fine except my leather and button polops, is that because of the low ph and why hasn't it affected my other corals? I have lots of zoos, mushrooms, trumpet coral, colt, greenstar polops, brain, plate, tons of other stuff that are fine.
Yes I would... but with everything else said here... do some good water changes. Sounds like something's off in your tank.
 

puffer32

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Having trouble keeping up also lol! I use instant ocean, ph was 8.0 on the water i changed, and i just tested the left over mix i have and its still 8.0. If my test kit is wrong, why is my tank water reading low and my change water is normal? I used aqurium pharmitical test
 
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thomas712

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Other reasons for low pH: by Randy H Farley
Low pH Due to High Indoor Carbon Dioxide
High indoor carbon dioxide can also apparently lead to low pH problems in many tanks. Respiration by people and pets, the use of un-vented appliances burning natural gas (e.g., ovens and stoves) and the use of CaCO3/CO2 reactors can lead to high indoor carbon dioxide levels. The level of carbon dioxide can easily be more than twice that of exterior air, and this excess can substantially lower the pH. This problem is especially severe in newer, more airtight homes. It is unlikely to be a problem in homes like mine where you can feel the wind blowing around old window frames.
Many aquarists have found that opening a window near the tank can result in a significant rise in pH within a day or two. Unfortunately, those aquarists living in colder climates cannot readily open windows in the winter. Some have found it useful in these situations to run a pipe or tubing from the outside to the air input of a skimmer, where fresh, exterior air is rapidly mixed with the tank water.
Finally, the use of limewater in these situations is also appropriate. In fact, limewater may be more optimally used in this situation because the tank would be less likely to experience the undesirably high pH that sometimes accompanies limewater use. While limewater is the alkalinity supplement most potent at raising pH, other high pH additives would also suffice. Supplements based on carbonate, for example, would be very useful in this situation, while bicarbonate would not be. As a commercial example, the original B-ionic would be better than the newer version. For home brews, washing soda (sodium carbonate) would be better than baking soda (sodium bicarbonate).
Low pH Due to Low Alkalinity
Low alkalinity can also lead to low pH. For example, if alkalinity is not supplemented as fast as it is removed by calcification, the pH will likely drop. This drop will happen with all alkalinity supplementation schemes, but will be most observable using schemes that do not themselves raise pH (like CaCO3/CO2 reactors or bicarbonate). In this situation, the obvious solution is to add more alkalinity in some fashion.
 

puffer32

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I will do another change tonight, just do one saturday and only have about 5 gal left of mixed salt, but its better then nothing i guess.
 
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thomas712

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Originally Posted by puffer32
Having trouble keeping up also lol! I use instant ocean, ph was 8.0 on the water i changed, and i just tested the left over mix i have and its still 8.0. If my test kit is wrong, why is my tank water reading low and my change water is normal? I used aqurium pharmitical test
Because there is nothing to bother the pH in the new water that you mixed up, unless oxygen is involved. There are no algea's like there are in your tank using up CO2. So I'm not suprised that the tank might have low pH while the new mixed water does not.
Thomas
 

puffer32

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my problem might be due to no circulating air. Its an in wall tank, with no windows in the walk in closet its in :notsure:
 

puffer32

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Putting a pipe or tube outsde is not an option here either, and where the heck do you get limewater???
 
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thomas712

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We call it kalkwasser, I use 4 tsp per day to mix 2 gallons.
calcium hydroxide
 

puffer32

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I guess i can start adding something to raise PH, but i hate adding anything to my tank like that, afraid it will mess up my already high calcium and alk, what do you think?
 

puffer32

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Originally Posted by Thomas712
We call it kalkwasser, I use 4 tsp per day to mix 2 gallons.
isn't the last thing i want to add is kalk since my calc is already to high??? :notsure:
 

reefnut

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Alkalinity is a measure of the buffering capacity of water, or the capacity of bases to neutralize acids. Alkalinity does not refer to pH, but instead refers to the ability of water to resist change in pH.
True, true... but just to clarify... keeping the alkalinity up to proper levels will help maintain a higher PH by not allowing the acids entering the water to lower the PH... right??
I understand what you are saying and agree 100% but for simplicity perposes...
 
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thomas712

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Puffer, do something simple. Take a 5 gallon bucket of your water, test for pH, then take it outside and run a power head in it for 30 minutes, then test your pH again.
 

puffer32

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So if your calcuim was as high as mine, would you still add the kalk to raise your ph? Wouldn't it raise your cal even more?
 
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thomas712

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Kalwasser doesn't raise levels of Calcium and Alkalinity, it maintains them. It is dripped slowly only to replace evaproration.
I'd still like to see why you are suffering from low pH. Do you have an air pump? can you run it outside and run an airline to your tank and use a airstone for a while. I'd be willing to bet your pH goes up.
Thomas
 
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