frankt9007
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i have 200 gal with large tangs,large butterflies,med snowflake,damsl,cleanershrimp.
can i add dogface
can i add dogface
can i add dogfacepuff
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crimzy
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Originally Posted by Frankt9007
http:///forum/post/2607809
i have 200 gal with large tangs,large butterflies,med snowflake,damsl,cleanershrimp.
can i add dogface
Your cleaner shrimp would probably be a tasty morsel.
But other than that, a dogface can generally coexist with tangs, butterflies, eels and damsels.
http:///forum/post/2607809
i have 200 gal with large tangs,large butterflies,med snowflake,damsl,cleanershrimp.
can i add dogface
Your cleaner shrimp would probably be a tasty morsel.
frankt9007
New Member
el guapo,
i have 2 large yellow tangs,1 sailfin tang,1 atlantic blue tang,2 large butterflies,1 dwarf ang,3 cleaner shrimp,1 pajama cardinal, 3 larger dams,1 snowflake eel 13inch, 200 gal, 50lbs live rock,tricle 150 ocianic filt
i have 2 large yellow tangs,1 sailfin tang,1 atlantic blue tang,2 large butterflies,1 dwarf ang,3 cleaner shrimp,1 pajama cardinal, 3 larger dams,1 snowflake eel 13inch, 200 gal, 50lbs live rock,tricle 150 ocianic filt
frankt9007
New Member
prime311,
i had this setup for about 7 years of which 8 of my 11 fish have been with me the entire time, i do a 60 gal water change about every 3 mos, i have not checked water exept for salt level and temp in the last three years,if its not broke i dont want to fix it
i had this setup for about 7 years of which 8 of my 11 fish have been with me the entire time, i do a 60 gal water change about every 3 mos, i have not checked water exept for salt level and temp in the last three years,if its not broke i dont want to fix it
prime311
Active Member
I think you're missing my point. If you're wondering whether your tank can support another fish, especially one that gets as large as a dogface, then you should evaluate how well your bioload is currently being handled. Nitrate levels would give you a pretty good idea of this. I'm not suggesting you change anything, but if for example your tank normally has 0 Nitrates then its fairly safe to say your tank is quite able to handle its current load and could handle more. Whereas if Nitrates were like 80 or something regularly, then you are already producing more load then the tank can handle and adding another fish would only exasperate the problem.
frankt9007
New Member
prime311,
your right,i was more concerned with the fact that a dogface would be too aggressive for my other fish and shrimp than the nitrates in my tank. i will test today and make a decision later.in your opinion, do you think my cleaner and coral banded shrimp will be food for a dogface???
many thanks for your imput i really do appreciate it, frank
your right,i was more concerned with the fact that a dogface would be too aggressive for my other fish and shrimp than the nitrates in my tank. i will test today and make a decision later.in your opinion, do you think my cleaner and coral banded shrimp will be food for a dogface???
many thanks for your imput i really do appreciate it, frank
stdreb27
Active Member
Well, I dunno, I never had any problems with agression with my dogface. On the other hand, 50 pounds of live rock. 25% change every three months, just a wet/dry. I seriously doubt that your tank with its current stocklist can support the bioload that a dogface will leave on your tank.
el guapo
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2609232
Well, I dunno, I never had any problems with agression with my dogface. On the other hand, 50 pounds of live rock. 25% change every three months, just a wet/dry. I seriously doubt that your tank with its current stocklist can support the bioload that a dogface will leave on your tank.
I have to agree with this . I would say your luck you haven't had a crash yet . I really can't imagine what a 200 gallon tank would look like with 50 lbs of rock . I got at least 125 pounds in my 75 .
You really should test your water and see what the numbers say before thinking of adding the kind of bio load a dogface will bring .
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Well, I dunno, I never had any problems with agression with my dogface. On the other hand, 50 pounds of live rock. 25% change every three months, just a wet/dry. I seriously doubt that your tank with its current stocklist can support the bioload that a dogface will leave on your tank.
I have to agree with this . I would say your luck you haven't had a crash yet . I really can't imagine what a 200 gallon tank would look like with 50 lbs of rock . I got at least 125 pounds in my 75 .
You really should test your water and see what the numbers say before thinking of adding the kind of bio load a dogface will bring .
frankt9007
New Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2609261
I have to agree with this . I would say your luck you haven't had a crash yet . I really can't imagine what a 200 gallon tank would look like with 50 lbs of rock . I got at least 125 pounds in my 75 .
You really should test your water and see what the numbers say before thinking of adding the kind of bio load a dogface will bring .
el guapo,
i have an ocianic skimmer in the wet/dry and an aquanetics uv with 4 bulbs only 2 working at this time . my live rock waight is a guess, it looks like 1/3 of space in tank is live rock, every thing is extremly healthy and doing well for a long time, i think the bio load will not be a problem.my eel does not
bother any of my other fish or shrimp, do you think a dogface will???
thanks for your imput, frank
http:///forum/post/2609261
I have to agree with this . I would say your luck you haven't had a crash yet . I really can't imagine what a 200 gallon tank would look like with 50 lbs of rock . I got at least 125 pounds in my 75 .
You really should test your water and see what the numbers say before thinking of adding the kind of bio load a dogface will bring .
el guapo,
i have an ocianic skimmer in the wet/dry and an aquanetics uv with 4 bulbs only 2 working at this time . my live rock waight is a guess, it looks like 1/3 of space in tank is live rock, every thing is extremly healthy and doing well for a long time, i think the bio load will not be a problem.my eel does not
bother any of my other fish or shrimp, do you think a dogface will???
thanks for your imput, frank
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Frankt9007
http:///forum/post/2610470
el guapo,
i have an ocianic skimmer in the wet/dry and an aquanetics uv with 4 bulbs only 2 working at this time . my live rock waight is a guess, it looks like 1/3 of space in tank is live rock, every thing is extremly healthy and doing well for a long time, i think the bio load will not be a problem.my eel does not
bother any of my other fish or shrimp, do you think a dogface will???
thanks for your imput, frank
UV isn't the issue, I really don't have experience with bio-balls so I don't know how much biological filtration they pull. But I do know they are less pourous than lr so it probably isn't as effective. Second, most of the time people underestimate the weight of live rock. And the infrequency of water changes. You will be walking a fine line. Especially when your fish mature. Tangs aren't clean fish either they are always eating. But you should see the size of poops a dogface can make.
But to answer your question. With a dogface it is hit or miss, I personally had several small fish in with my dogface with no problems, however, they were damsels. I've also see other dogfaces enjoy 3 inch clownfish. And snowflakes latch onto dogfaces and go for a ride. IMO dogfaces don't make good friends with eels since dogfaces like to lie on the bottom under rocks when they sleep.
http:///forum/post/2610470
el guapo,
i have an ocianic skimmer in the wet/dry and an aquanetics uv with 4 bulbs only 2 working at this time . my live rock waight is a guess, it looks like 1/3 of space in tank is live rock, every thing is extremly healthy and doing well for a long time, i think the bio load will not be a problem.my eel does not
bother any of my other fish or shrimp, do you think a dogface will???
thanks for your imput, frank
UV isn't the issue, I really don't have experience with bio-balls so I don't know how much biological filtration they pull. But I do know they are less pourous than lr so it probably isn't as effective. Second, most of the time people underestimate the weight of live rock. And the infrequency of water changes. You will be walking a fine line. Especially when your fish mature. Tangs aren't clean fish either they are always eating. But you should see the size of poops a dogface can make.
But to answer your question. With a dogface it is hit or miss, I personally had several small fish in with my dogface with no problems, however, they were damsels. I've also see other dogfaces enjoy 3 inch clownfish. And snowflakes latch onto dogfaces and go for a ride. IMO dogfaces don't make good friends with eels since dogfaces like to lie on the bottom under rocks when they sleep.
socal57che
Active Member
Something else to keep in mind is your substrate. I had fine sand in the 100g and the dogface crashed it by blowing in the sand looking for food. We woke up one morning to a mud puddle.
frankt9007
New Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2610612
Something else to keep in mind is your substrate. I had fine sand in the 100g and the dogface crashed it by blowing in the sand looking for food. We woke up one morning to a mud puddle.
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
http:///forum/post/2610612
Something else to keep in mind is your substrate. I had fine sand in the 100g and the dogface crashed it by blowing in the sand looking for food. We woke up one morning to a mud puddle.
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Frankt9007
http:///forum/post/2610619
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
http:///forum/post/2610619
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
socal57che
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2610641
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
Food, too. Puffers are messy eaters so be sure to vacuum it thoroughly.
http:///forum/post/2610641
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
Food, too. Puffers are messy eaters so be sure to vacuum it thoroughly.
srfisher17
Active Member
IMO, as long as you don't presently have a water problem and you do regular housekeeping (vacuuming, as just mentioned) you should be able to add a dogface. If the butterflies & shrimp are doing well, that's a good indicator of water quality. The puffer can get a little nippy, but I think you have enough room for everyone to be safe. I do think your shrimp will be lunch sooner or later. I admit to stocking heavier than a lot of folks on this forum; but 200 gal is a lot of room to work with.
el guapo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Frankt9007
http:///forum/post/2610619
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2610641
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2610828
Food, too. Puffers are messy eaters so be sure to vacuum it thoroughly.
Your more than likely going to have problems with Detrius and food getting stuck in your CC . Your going to have to address it at some point . I would bump the water changes up a little more often and vac the CC real good when you do . Other wise your nitrates will creep up and get you .
http:///forum/post/2610619
thankyou fishmonger, i have penny size crushed shells,i think that should be ok
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2610641
Not really, the amount of detrius that is going to get stuck in there is going to be a problem.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2610828
Food, too. Puffers are messy eaters so be sure to vacuum it thoroughly.
Your more than likely going to have problems with Detrius and food getting stuck in your CC . Your going to have to address it at some point . I would bump the water changes up a little more often and vac the CC real good when you do . Other wise your nitrates will creep up and get you .