Can I save my yellow tang?

guitarfish

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I setup a 20g QT tank a couple weeks ago and moved my 4" yellow tang and 4 other small fish into it last week. One fish, the flame angel, was badly covered with ich. and I knew she would die before I even moved her, and in 2 days she was gone. The rest of the fish were very healthy, one or two had a spot of ich, that's all. My yellow tang never showed any spots.
The QT tank itself is cycled, I used a filter pad from another tank, and aside from a 24hr ammonia spike of 1.0 last week, there are zero ammo and nitrites.
I put the fish in QT (I'd filled it with display tank water), waited 72 hrs, then did four 5g water changes over four nights to drop the salinity to 1.009. The drop was something like 1.023 -> 1.019 -> 1.015 -> 1.012 -> 1.009. When I did the changes, I dripped the new water in over 3 hours, so it was a nice slow change. They've been at 1.009 for 48hrs.
The tang has been breathing heavy for days, mainly sits on the bottom, rarely moves about much, and hasn't eaten in 5 days or so. Tonight he seems to be starting to tilt sideways.
The only area I can think of where I may have been careless was with pH. I think the pH got up quite high - 8.8 - when doing the drop to hypo, and was there for a couple days. Yesterday it was around 8.5, and I used a teaspoon of vinegar to drop it to about 8.3, which is where it remains now.
Does this sound like something that could have harmed the tang? The tang is very plump and used to eat ravenously, compared to when I first got her, she was emaciated.
I've rechecked all water parameters tonight:
pH - 8.3
salinity - 1.009
ammo - 0
nitrite - 0
temp - 80
Anyone have any diagnosis or ideas?
 

beth

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How could pH go so high? Fresh water tends to drop pH? What are you using to measure salinity? What type of display do you have?
If the pH was that high, and is still pretty high, yes that could be a real problem. You need to get it down, but do it gradually.
 

guitarfish

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pH of the display was 8.3. My fresh water pH is very low, I have to add washing soda to bring it up, and I brought it up too much. The final water change brought the pH down some, and the vinegar the next day brought it down some more, and that's where I am now.
Using a refractometer to measure salinity.
 

beth

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Well, there is obviously several very stressful factors going on. The disease process itself would be one of those factors. The rapid changes in pH, as well as the way too high pH could actually be a lethal problem. How are the other fish handling it? Also, the small QT for a tang with other fish in there, would also be a stressor.
What exactly are the ingredients of the washing soda you are using?
 

guitarfish

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I cooked Arm & Hammer baking soda to make washing soda, I've done this in the past, that's what I used to raise pH.
Two of the other fish in the QT are small hiders who hang out in PVC pipe, the other is a clarkii clown, he and the tang ignore each other, always have. The other fish are all eating and seem just fine. The tang doesn't seem to be bothered or cramped by the other fish, he can move about as he pleases.
As stated, the pH is around 8.3 for the last 48hrs. I suppose I could drop it down to 8.2 or 8.1 over the next day. I don't understand the physiological effects of pH on the fish, so I'm unclear on what kind of damage I may have caused to the tang. I guess I just have to wait it out and see what happens.
I appreciate the feedback.
 

beth

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The pH now is perfect, but the higher pH to begin with could have already effected your tang. Don't raise or drop pH at this point. 8.3 is fine.
And you are sure that your ammonia and nitrite are zero? What test kits are you using?
 

guitarfish

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Yes, I'm sure ammo & trites are 0. I use Aquar. Pharm. kits, the ammo kit is new. The tank has an established biol filter, there was a brief 1.0 ammo spike for <24hrs last week, that's it.
 

beth

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Did that spike cooincide with ph spikes? High ammonia and high ammonia is a lethel combination. High ph makes the ammonia more toxic.
 

guitarfish

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No, the ammo spike was first, I used Amquel+ as well as a water change to eliminate it some of it and reduce its toxicity. The pH issue was a couple days later.
The fish is still alive, but not eating, which is sad.
 

beth

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What about your main tank? What type tank is it??
Do you have any hiding spots in the QT?
 

guitarfish

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The main tank is a 75g RR with a 30g sump. Softy corals (shrooms, polyps, & a toadstool). A wonderful tank, perfect parameters, but unfortunately had ich. It's fallow now, will be for >30 days.
When it had fish, it looked LIKE THIS.
The tang in the pic is the one in question.
 

beth

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WOW, that is a nice looking tank, and a nice looking tang. Can you post a picture of your tang now?
Also, I'd like to suggest that you take one of your smaller pieces of LR and put it in the QT Anything with algae on it would be better. Nothing with corals, or other animals like snails. You will have some loss of life on the rock but I think the rock will help that small tank along with its stability and bio filter. You can return the rock to the display after the treatment as long as you don't end up having to treat with medications. You can also just leave the rock in the QT to keep it cycled and go to the LFS to pick up a rock to replace this one for your display.
 

guitarfish

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That's a good idea Beth, I'll try that when I get home tonight. I'll take a new pic then also.
Thanks so much for the tips.
 

floorguy

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wow I just went through the same thing if the tang is loseing flesh look at the tip of fins make sure its all skin no bone showing that was my first sign then they got really raggedy and started shedding The day befor i did a 25% water change and switched to hex a mit 2 days later i lost my tang but acting fast i was able to save my hippo he is now alive and ich free waiting to go back to his big tank the yellow tang dont sound to good sounds just like what i had. the laying over is second stages of the infection most fish dont make it much longer get an antibiotic like hexamit and try to save the ones that are still alive and good luck
 

floorguy

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Originally posted by guitarfish
Is there any antibiotic that would be potentially useful in this situation?

I used HEX-A-mit your lfs might recomend something else.
 

floorguy

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Originally posted by floorguy
I used HEX-A-mit your lfs might recomend something else.

It also fights the ick thats why it was recomended to me.
 

beth

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Before you start medicating, can you please post a picture of your tang?
 

guitarfish

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I tried taking a pic last night, but didn't get anything worth posting - too blurry. I'll try again tonight. In addition to not eatng, there are some dark patches that are visible on various places on her body.
 

beth

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And the ich situation? How is that going? And the other fish?
Do you have lighting on that QT?
 
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