Can Someone Explain to me WHY? The U.S supports Israel so much?

miaheatlvr

Active Member
Just curious. Educate me? I know they are the only democratic country in the region, but is it a more of a military thing for us where is supplies us with a strategic stronghold in the region? I know we have a quite large powerful Jewish population living here, and in politics and in Hollywood. Is it more that we are helping a country that is being oppressed by Radical Muslims? I don't think there will ever be peace there as long as they don't follow the roadmap to 2 separate states, at least acknowledging their right to exist AND until Israel stops building illegal settlements in the west bank which is still a disputed territory. I feel that we always treat Israel with kid gloves. WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS? Please Opine!
 

texasmetal

Active Member
Only an opinion formed by observation but...
Part of it is strictly policitics. Helping out the little guy like the US always does. Part of it, like you said, is strategic point of operations for us. We scratch their back, they scratch ours.
We've been helping them long before radical Islam extremists were much of a problem for us. As for peace in that region... it will NEVER happen. They've been at war since before the Crusades. It's just sheer religious fanaticism. Intolerance of another cultures faith. Until one of them finally wipes out the other, there will never be peace.
I'm sure there are other people on here more educated about the situation than myself, but from what I've learned, that's the jest of it.
 
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tizzo

Guest
Miaheat, you have just taken "political" threads AND "religious" threads to a whole new level!! Just let me be the first to say, then I will back out and watch, that this will either be the longest thread in history or it will get locked up.
This thread will have people from so many differnt platforms trying to get everyone to see their perspective that it will be fun to watch...with popcorn in hand.
But on a very simple, non religious, non political perspective, I think it's the job of every part of the UN to protect any little country that gets picked on...
Least that's what I remember from 8th grade social studies.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2718974
Just curious. Educate me? I know they are the only democratic country in the region, but is it a more of a military thing for us where is supplies us with a strategic stronghold in the region. I know we have a quite large powerful Jewish population living here and in politics and in Hollywood. Is it more that we are helping a country that is being oppressed by Radical Muslims? I don't think there will ever be peace there as long as they don't follow the roadmap to 2 separate states, at least acknowledging their right to exist AND until Israel stops building illegal settlements in the west bank which is still a disputed territory. I feel that we always treat Israel with kid gloves. WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS? Please Opine!
Loosly speaking we are a Judeo-Christian nation having roots in the Jewish people and the God they represent. From a Biblical perspective, the Jews are God's chosen people and Christianity is a Jewish based religion, (most all persons mentioned in the New Testament were Jews) so as a "Christian" nation it is only natural that we have strong ties with and support for Israel.
 

texasmetal

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2718981
Miaheat, you have just taken "political" threads AND "religious" threads to a whole new level!! Just let me be the first to say, then I will back out and watch, that this will either be the longest thread in history or it will get locked up.
This thread will have people from so many differnt platforms trying to get everyone to see their perspective that it will be fun to watch...with popcorn in hand.
But on a very simple, non religious, non political perspective, I think it's the job of every part of the UN to protect any little country that gets picked on...
Least that's what I remember from 8th grade social studies.
Good point. It's a shame people can't discuss these things from an objective perspective and without investing any emotional and non-factual comments.
Can we be mature about this folks? Dumb question huh?
 

mimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2718974
Just curious. Educate me? I know they are the only democratic country in the region, but is it a more of a military thing for us where is supplies us with a strategic stronghold in the region? I know we have a quite large powerful Jewish population living here, and in politics and in Hollywood. Is it more that we are helping a country that is being oppressed by Radical Muslims? I don't think there will ever be peace there as long as they don't follow the roadmap to 2 separate states, at least acknowledging their right to exist AND until Israel stops building illegal settlements in the west bank which is still a disputed territory. I feel that we always treat Israel with kid gloves. WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS? Please Opine!
so.... what would you prefer America did?
 

socal57che

Active Member
I just found this...
http://ask.metafilter.com/93401/Why-...ally-to-the-US
Interesting read.
This is a nice read as well. http://www.science.co.il/Israel-history.asp Just bookmarked it. Here's an exerpt...
"In 1948, Jewish Community in Israel under the leadership of David Ben-Gurion reestablished sovereignty over their ancient homeland. Declaration of independence of the modern State of Israel was announced on the day that the last British forces left Israel (May 14, 1948).
Arab-Israeli wars
A day after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel, armies of five Arab countries, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, invaded Israel. This marked the beginning of the War of Independence. Arab states have jointly waged four full scale wars against Israel:
1948 War of Independence
1956 Sinai War
1967 Six Day War
1973 Yom Kippur War
Despite the numerical superiority of the Arab armies, Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew."
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
From what I know. The U.S, was the first country in the world and the U.N. to recogonize Isreal as a country. We have supported their existance ever since. In return Isreal has been extremely loyal to the U.S. in our military and economic endeavours no matter who is in charge of the either country. It is like a best friend relationship. The Yom Kipper war further solidified the nations support in both direction. Egypt refused a cease-fire agreement and was aided by a few other arab countries and armed by russia (USSR). We inturn for the first time sold weapons and armaments to the Isreali's. This helped them hold off and win this war. They have been greatful ever since.
If you look throughout history, Isreal is one country who's borders have never expanded much. It is a country that never initiated wars or grabs for land. Each time they acquired land from a war, they were the defenders and took the land to create a buffer zone between their homeland and the surrounding hostile countries. And once the aggressors withdrew they gave up the land again. This is unprecedented in history and should be a key reason Isreal should receive full support as it shows something. A willingness to exist without greed in the region and a willingness to look for peace.
If you think about it Isreal could nuetralize each middle eastern country with their nuclear weapons, yet they have not once. And if any group of people have been more wrong in this world it is the jewish people.
Technically, The entire issue about the palestinians is not purely resting on Isreali shoulders. Gaza strip and a the west back are issues and fall under scrutiny, however Jordan and egypt gobbled up much of the palestinian land early on. It was not until Jordan and Egypt attacked Isreal did Isreal acquire much of the gaza strip and the west bank. And this has helped fuel the fire. When Jordan and egypt held these lands there was no issue. It was not until these lands fell under the control of Isreal was it an issue. (this is how I understand it)
Furthermore you add in the fact that each time peace talks have been conducted and things look like they are close to a settlement the palestinian leaders suddennly stop talks and negotiations and the PLO, Hamas, or other various factions would start the terrorists actions again. Isreal has always been the one looking for a peaceful solution, the Palestinians just don't seem to want one and always leave talks...even though Isreal is granting much in concessions and land.
The other reason is Isreal is one of 3-4 total countries in the world that mirrors the U.S. and how we believe a free a society should live and conduct themselves.
 

mimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2719040
From what I know. The U.S, was the first country in the world and the U.N. to recogonize Isreal as a country. We have supported their existance ever since. In return Isreal has been extremely loyal to the U.S. in our military and economic endeavours no matter who is in charge of the either country. It is like a best friend relationship. The Yom Kipper war further solidified the nations support in both direction. Egypt refused a cease-fire agreement and was aided by a few other arab countries and armed by russia (USSR). We inturn for the first time sold weapons and armaments to the Isreali's. This helped them hold off and win this war. They have been greatful ever since.
If you look throughout history, Isreal is one country who's borders have never expanded much. It is a country that never initiated wars or grabs for land. Each time they acquired land from a war, they were the defenders and took the land to create a buffer zone between their homeland and the surrounding hostile countries. And once the aggressors withdrew they gave up the land again. This is unprecedented in history and should be a key reason Isreal should receive full support as it shows something. A willingness to exist without greed in the region and a willingness to look for peace.
If you think about it Isreal could nuetralize each middle eastern country with their nuclear weapons, yet they have not once. And if any group of people have been more wrong in this world it is the jewish people.
Technically, The entire issue about the palestinians is not purely resting on Isreali shoulders. Gaza strip and a the west back are issues and fall under scrutiny, however Jordan and egypt gobbled up much of the palestinian land early on. It was not until Jordan and Egypt attacked Isreal did Isreal acquire much of the gaza strip and the west bank. And this has helped fuel the fire. When Jordan and egypt held these lands there was no issue. It was not until these lands fell under the control of Isreal was it an issue. (this is how I understand it)
Furthermore you add in the fact that each time peace talks have been conducted and things look like they are close to a settlement the palestinian leaders suddennly stop talks and negotiations and the PLO, Hamas, or other various factions would start the terrorists actions again. Isreal has always been the one looking for a peaceful solution, the Palestinians just don't seem to want one and always leave talks...even though Isreal is granting much in concessions and land.
The other reason is Isreal is one of 3-4 total countries in the world that mirrors the U.S. and how we believe a free a society should live and conduct themselves.

Darth. I love you. Dearly. Really, I do.... but... it's IsrAEl, NOT isrEAl.
 

reefraff

Active Member
There are a whole lot of Jewish people living in this country who happen to be pretty infuential. In light of the Holocaust re-establishing and supporting the nation of Israel was the right thing to do but not enough thought and effort was put into dealing with the Palestinians
 

stdreb27

Active Member
I think it has a lot to do with your enemies enemy is your friend. Russia has always been very close to radical Muslim nations. And during the 50’s Russia was public enemy #1. I do think out judeo-christian roots plays into the equation. However this is a stable democracy in a very turbulent area of the world and we have historically gone to war to protect democracies, (Korea, Vietnam, and to some extent WWII) from communism. I think some has to do with our support of the UN, they did declare Israel a country and at that point, we were trying to establish the UN as a viable international organization. So it makes sense. Besides if we were there to temper Israel down, they at this point would have probably taken over most the middle east right now, because they know how to do security…
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2721259
I found this clip on youtube. It may offend some people especially bush supporters. Watch this miahtlvur.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvbCDsMrSg
lol, I especially like the link between zoomcopter and the thousands of "agents" in the usa! Oh and calling chertof a spy!
If they are going to spoof fox news, at least get the scrolling speed right! And the location of the fox news cube.
 

miaheatlvr

Active Member
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2721259
I found this clip on youtube. It may offend some people especially bush supporters. Watch this miahtlvur.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIvbCDsMrSg
I think that falls into the category of a radical version of (Fahrenheit 911) lol WHAT STDREB said about the doctor job. But was pretty well produced. So basically it was saying that the Israelis planned 911 for the US to engage war with the Taliban and Iraq and radical Muslims.. thats what they are implying in a nut shell..
 

hlcroghan

Active Member
Also remember that this is considered a holy land to both Muslims and the Jewish people and that they will never agree who has a right to be there. That is one of the main reasons that they continue to fight. They are unable to figure out who's land it really is. IMPO, I really believe that the US should stay out of other countries period. I know that a lot of people disagree and think that we should get involved if any other countries are being "picked" on but this is all part of the evolution of the world. I hate to see anyone dying honestly but part of the reason some countries are having problems is because others continue to give them artificial help that they wouldn't have if we weren't there to give it. I truly think that the population of the countries would shrink to a manageable amount that they could sustain themselves without outside help.
 

mimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2721363
Also remember that this is considered a holy land to both Muslims and the Jewish people and that they will never agree who has a right to be there. That is one of the main reasons that they continue to fight. They are unable to figure out who's land it really is. IMPO, I really believe that the US should stay out of other countries period. I know that a lot of people disagree and think that we should get involved if any other countries are being "picked" on but this is all part of the evolution of the world. I hate to see anyone dying honestly but part of the reason some countries are having problems is because others continue to give them artificial help that they wouldn't have if we weren't there to give it. I truly think that the population of the countries would shrink to a manageable amount that they could sustain themselves without outside help.

....also considered Holy to Christians! Church of the Holy Sepulchre is there and so are the 14station of the Cross, and one of the quarters in the Old City is Christian.
 
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