Can someone tell me in leymans terms WHY the US DOLLAR is in the TANK?

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sign guy
if im not mistaken the dollar was pulled off of silver and gold in 1973
No it was before that, 73 was when we stopped pegging our exchange rates.
As a recent graduate of Economics, May 07. I have a perspective. Now I do say, It is a math degree not an english one so please excuse any grammatical errors.
It boils down to demand for the currency, and demand for the currency has to do with trade. Basically people aren't buying american made stuff so demand for the US dollar is down, and we are importing stuff, that we pay for in US dollars. So there is alot of US dollars floating around and not alot of places to spend them.
That being said, the value of the dollar being down isn't a bad thing. It helps out our manufacturing centers. By basically putting everything we export at a lower price. And it creates a price barrier for imports. So we buy more american products since they are cheaper than foreign products.
There are alot of different perspectives to the deeper nature of this, some point to the Euro as a factor, having a unified currency alleviates all the exchange rate risks that Europe had. Before the euro, the europeans used the dollar to address this risk because it was and still is the worlds most stable currency.
It doesn't have anything to do with seniorage (printing money) that is more tied to inflation, than the devaluation of currency. Until you start printing to much of it, ask latin america and their problems of the 80's and 90's.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bigarn
it's because our economy is "in the tank" right now.

Our economy is hardly in the tank. Its not roaring on all cylinders, but it isn't bad. The sub-prime industry is a bunch of rich people who screwed up and lent money to people they shouldn't have. But that being said only 10 percent of those loans are in default. There are a few indicators that point to a recession, like the 10 year treasury bill being cheaper than the 3 month bill. But other indicators point to growth, unemployment rates, job growth. Oil prices have nothing to do with pointing to our economy good or bad. It may and probably hurts the economy. But the price of oil doesn't mean our economy is bad.
The fed and the changing of the target fed funds rate isn't an indicator of our economy but rather our banking sector. The reason they cut the rates was a liquidity factor of the banks rather than an indication that our economy is failing.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
Yes, but im always hearing BOOMING ECONOMY and JOB GROWTH besides recent losses DOW JONES at all time high! I just dont get it.. This is slightly encouraging at least!! http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...rld_currencies
You can't expect the news media to make ANY intellegent comments on Economics. They are writers (and activists) not economists. The only news show that has even the slightest idea what they are talking about is Niel Cavuto. They have pretty smart people on there. Bill Oreilly, Lou Dobbs, ( I hate Lou Dobbs) and just about every one else, didn't pay attention during class or something because they make about as much sense as a football bat.
 

phelpz

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Originally Posted by grumpygils
It was on Fox the other day. It appears they want to get away from the volitility of the dollar? I think there is more consistancy in the pound? Who knows, but they said it was coming to the oil world and it would not be good for us?
Mc
Fox News also did a story about how PETA kills more animals than Michael Vick, so they should shut there mouths about him.
C'mon now.
edit:and no, I dont like PETA. Fox just comes up with the most retarded things.
 

michaeltx

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Originally Posted by sign guy
if im not mistaken the dollar was pulled off of silver and gold in 1973
might have but the same principles still apply to what makes itworth what just different commodities.
Mike
 

stdreb27

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The problem they had with the gold standard was that the gold or silver in the coin was worth more than the face value of the coin so, smart people were going to the bank buying the coins, then melting them down and selling the gold or silver. Most economists don't support returning to the gold standard.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by phelpz
Fox News also did a story about how PETA kills more animals than Michael Vick, so they should shut there mouths about him.
C'mon now.
edit:and no, I dont like PETA. Fox just comes up with the most retarded things.
You gotta ask who, that sounds like a story that oreilly would have come up with. His stories are usually unusual and bizar, but his opinions are usually retarted. But at least he doesn't hide the fact that they are his opinions.
Like he was slamming some supermodel for wanting to be paid in euros. Calling her a non-patriot. If you ask me that is a smart decision business wize.
 

miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
You can't expect the news media to make ANY intellegent comments on Economics. They are writers (and activists) not economists. The only news show that has even the slightest idea what they are talking about is Niel Cavuto. They have pretty smart people on there. Bill Oreilly, Lou Dobbs, ( I hate Lou Dobbs) and just about every one else, didn't pay attention during class or something because they make about as much sense as a football bat.
STD, thanks for your help! Extremely enligntening! They have helped me alot and have opened my eyes and turned on some dormant "light bulbs" that have been unscrewed in my brain for a long time! lol
BUT i have to disagree with you about BLOOMBERG just being any other typical media outlet, I would like to consider them to carry more "weight" that a Cavuto or Dobbs etc etc
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
STD, thanks for your help! Extremely enligntening! They have helped me alot and have opened my eyes and turned on some dormant "light bulbs" that have been unscrewed in my brain for a long time! lol
BUT i have to disagree with you about BLOOMBERG just being any other typical media outlet, I would like to consider them to carry more "weight" that a Cavuto or Dobbs etc etc
Bloomberg can be use useful. I read alot of their stuff about brazil for work. And their actual numbers reporting when they just say so and so expects this and don't opine (hehe I hate that last part of orielly's show) are pretty good, but then every once in a while, they have some wierd thing come down the pipe. And then I wonder.
What I don't understand about alot of this is most new orgs get these people on that are failures, and then ask their opinion. Like that general on CNN who ran the blackhawk down operation. He got kicked out of the military for that, yet CNN has him as their main military expert.
I love how they have forbes on fox news, I didn't really agree with his politics, but he is one smart cookie when it comes to business.
 

jerthunter

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I know why my US dollars are in the tank. It is because I keep buying expensive corals until all my money is in the tank...
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I know why my US dollars are in the tank. It is because I keep buying expensive corals until all my money is in the tank...
It does sorta effect you, most of these corals are imported. Since the value of the dollar vs most foreign currency is down, that means that it is going to take more US dollars for the same amount of the foreign currency. So you are going to start paying a bit more for your corals. You should buy domestically aquacultured frags so you save that money.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
STD, thanks for your help! Extremely enligntening! They have helped me alot and have opened my eyes and turned on some dormant "light bulbs" that have been unscrewed in my brain for a long time! lol
BUT i have to disagree with you about BLOOMBERG just being any other typical media outlet, I would like to consider them to carry more "weight" that a Cavuto or Dobbs etc etc
lol std, you should put the reb behind that, it was my user name in college, somehow std ment student instead of S transmitted diseases.
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
It does sorta effect you, most of these corals are imported. Since the value of the dollar vs most foreign currency is down, that means that it is going to take more US dollars for the same amount of the foreign currency. So you are going to start paying a bit more for your corals. You should buy domestically aquacultured frags so you save that money.
I usually try to buy frags made locally, although I guess the parent corals still come from other areas.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
I usually try to buy frags made locally, although I guess the parent corals still come from other areas.
yeah, but since they bought them when the value of the dollar was higher, the increased cost at this point doesn't effect them.
 

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
yeah, but since they bought them when the value of the dollar was higher, the increased cost at this point doesn't effect them.
I bet most places will raise the cost anyway since other costs are going up.
I suppose it doesn't matter, all my money goes into the tank anyway.
 

flricordia

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Revelations
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth commited adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excess luxuries."
When the kings of the earth who commited adulteries with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment they will stand far off and cry: "Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!' " The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more-
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Flricordia
Revelations
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth commited adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excess luxuries."
When the kings of the earth who commited adulteries with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment they will stand far off and cry: "Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!' " The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more-
The only problem with that is Babylon is pretty close to bagdad... And built on pagan principles. Unlike the great USA, unalienable rights endowed by our creator...
 

stdreb27

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Another really facinating thing about this whole dropping of value of the dollar vs foreign currency. Are the effects on China. If you don't know this China pegs their Yuan to our Dollar, so the value of their currency is now plummeting too. But not naturally they have to artifically create it.
The way they do this is sell their currency at the atificially low price. And enough of it where everyone else is buying it at that price too. If not people would just buy it from the Chicoms and sell it to other folks at the higher price, and make some profit. They have already been doing this for some time at smaller levels since they have had upward pressure on the Yuan vs the US Dollar.
The problem is you have to have ALOT of China money to maintain this for any period of time. Or you have to print it. If you print to much of it you run the very very serious risk of inflation, (there are models math models that basically equate seinorage to inflation) Inflation = the % of cash added to the system. This is one of the major factors to the economic problems contries like Mexico, Brazil, and alot of other latin American countries.
I say all this to say, if the dollar stays this low vs other currency then they are going to run out of yuan and let their currency "float" or face dire economic problems. Either way it is good for the US. And bad for all these chinese importers.
 

prime311

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The strength of the dollar has more of an effect on oil prices in the us then oil prices have an effect on the dollar. Weak dollar = more expensive foreign oil, not vice versa.
 
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