Can we just stop already?

tangwhispr

tangwhispr

Member
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
1. People who know nothing giving advice. Its not about having 500 posts a month. Its about giving people accurate advice...there are way to many noobs talking and not listning. Perfect Dark , Sep, Beth, Lion, ophiura, 1journey, bang,( Sorry,I know I'm missing some) all give great advice and should I not no something, I would trust what they tell me.
2. Use the search feature....i get tired of seeing the same questions that have been answered a hundred times before. There are so many usesless threads that could be avoided.
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
4. Keep your profile up to date...if you're asking about a naso and your profile says 12 gal nano or even worse nothing...expect to be flamed.
5. Don't bother asking questions you don't want to hear the honest answer to...people ask a question simply to get that one person who thinks its ok to put 4 tangs in a 55gal
Anyone agree with me?
 
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dragonzim

Active Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
5. Don't bother asking questions you don't want to hear the honest answer to...people ask a question simply to get that one person who thinks its ok to put 4 tangs in a 55gal
Anyone agree with me?
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
perfectdark

perfectdark

Active Member
I do agree.. IMO the search feature is actually faster in getting your questions answered than it is to post it and wait for a reply. Especially when you preface the post with "I know this has already been asked but..."
Just some advice, if you are sure that is has been asked in the past. Then seach the forum threads. Your results will be immediate and will contain far more information than what your post will get you in 2 weeks.
 
phelpz

phelpz

Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
2. Use the search feature....i get tired of seeing the same questions that have been answered a hundred times before. There are so many usesless threads that could be avoided.
Anyone agree with me?
I totally agree with this. On a few other message boards I go to, not fish ones, you get flamed if you make a thread that already exists.
BUT since there's so many people on here, and so many new users everyone using the search button is not going to happen.
 
lexluethar

lexluethar

Active Member
I'm sure i'm one of the folks giving advise that doesn't know anything...
As for the repeat posts, i've been on other forums that actually won't allow duplicate posts, so if someone asks "what type of lighting do anmones need" everyone would pretty much say, you need to search and research prior to asking.
I don't agree with #1, just because there are a thousand ways to do something in SW, and some things work for one person and not for another. ALthough there are those concrete things like tangs, anemones, nitrates, etc (which all are 99% of the posts here).
 
chrgerondavins

chrgerondavins

Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
1. People who know nothing giving advice. Its not about having 500 posts a month. Its about giving people accurate advice...there are way to many noobs talking and not listning. Perfect Dark , Sep, Beth, Lion, ophiura, 1journey, bang,( Sorry,I know I'm missing some) all give great advice and should I not no something, I would trust what they tell me.
2. Use the search feature....i get tired of seeing the same questions that have been answered a hundred times before. There are so many usesless threads that could be avoided.
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
4. Keep your profile up to date...if you're asking about a naso and your profile says 12 gal nano or even worse nothing...expect to be flamed.
5. Don't bother asking questions you don't want to hear the honest answer to...people ask a question simply to get that one person who thinks its ok to put 4 tangs in a 55gal
Anyone agree with me?
OMG thats so offensive, I cant believe you would say that OMG OMG Im not a noob OMG my comment was comic relief, and clearly that. OMG so offended.
Ok im done losing it. Lighten up.
EDIT: And seriously, don't cry about a comment like that, nobody is actually going to think that a tang needs a 123,000 gallon tank to drive sports cars and play hopskotch, just guessing though. If you don't think it's funny then read on. The only thing more worthless and annoying than "comic relief" posts (even if they aren't funny) is complaining posts about "noobs" and "other peoples comments" etc. It isn't your place to make those calls, you're not a mod. Your post is just as worthless, if not more worthless than my own. Reason being yours are a dime a dozen, everyone complains, its actually just as old as the tang police posts. And without "Noobs" then we wouldn't learn some new things the hard way. Saltwater fish keeping is still SUCH a new hobby, new people are the ones who generally find out new things, because they accidently try something. That's rude at best to tell noobs not to give advice, you can take advice from those you trust, you're entitled to that, but to tell others on this forum they cannot post their opinions is rediculous. We are all entitled to our opinion, which is what makes this a forum, not a cult. We all will differ in our opinions on many things.
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
1. People who know nothing giving advice. Its not about having 500 posts a month. Its about giving people accurate advice...there are way to many noobs talking and not listning. Perfect Dark , Sep, Beth, Lion, ophiura, 1journey, bang,( Sorry,I know I'm missing some) all give great advice and should I not no something, I would trust what they tell me.
Frankly I'm a little hurt I wasn't on that list.

I make it a point to NEVER discuss anything I don't have first hand experience with.
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
2. Use the search feature....i get tired of seeing the same questions that have been answered a hundred times before. There are so many usesless threads that could be avoided.
Search feature is useful most of the time. Unless it is a specific problem. It stinks to go through 8 pages of stuff and still not find anything that relates to your problem.
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
Agreed. The troll junk is nothing more than trying to PO some folks.
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
4. Keep your profile up to date...if you're asking about a naso and your profile says 12 gal nano or even worse nothing...expect to be flamed.
Personally, I never look at the profile. Asking will get the info.
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
5. Don't bother asking questions you don't want to hear the honest answer to...people ask a question simply to get that one person who thinks its ok to put 4 tangs in a 55gal
Anyone agree with me?
Seen this one too. Yes it is aggrevating.
 
big

big

Active Member
In a public Forum we know control is nearly impossible. Yes if all new members would spend some time reading the great Moderators, etcs stickies we would not need a lot of the responses on the site. BUT It just ain't going happen unfortunately!!!
I for one think maybe MOST are trying their best to help others, and many of us have our "special interests" areas. I don't know how many times I have posted for people with LMB's starving on how to get them to eat..Yet we always will see opinions that one may not agree with. Maybe some folks should show a shot of their tanks before saying or telling someone who to take care of theirs????????
I too think this particular Forum has as many or more "newbie" members than others....... In so, I and I am sure many of us would and do like trying to help them as much as possible. We all where Newbie on day some time in the past. Heck I still have a "Meta-frame" 55 Stainless holding FW fish that I was first set up in the early 70's. But I didn't come to Reefing till a few years back. But in those last couple years I think I have learned a lot from this Forum and still am learning. Yet I have found of late most all of my posting are to help out the new folks......... It seems to be the best learning tool for them. The search engines are nice but many of them (new members) never see it till they have been around a while.
So we tire of doing the same postings about Nitrates etc.............. that is what a Forum is for......................To help and learn...............................Warren
 
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lsu

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TangWhispr;2493019 said:
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
/QUOTE]
Thanks for saying what I've been thinking.
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allenk

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Does that mean people should stop flaming people about keeping a tang in a 55 gallon tank? That horse seems to have been beat to death. But I'll bet the TP will continue to pound their fists into their desks as they flame those who don't follow the advice.
As far as asking a question that has already been asked, I think there is some value to asking it again. Did you know that in the 1980's and early 1990's, many if not most considered it very bad to use a deep sand bed in a saltwater tank? Now, it is an accepted practice.
Many on this board have said you can't keep a tang in a 4 foot tank. Yet, I did so in the 90's for 3 years. (hippo tang) The thing was healthy as a horse when I gave it away due to my moving across country. Perhaps it would have eventually outgrown the tank and become unhappy. But during the time I had it, it seemed very content. I fed it plenty of fresh greens and probably some meaty foods. (too long ago, don't remember all that I fed)
Nonetheless, I think it makes sense to put such a large beautiful fish in as big a tank as you can. A Naso will live for 15 years and grow to 18 inches. So, I would generally agree with the general principal of using the larger tank. But I don't accept the wisdom that no tang can be kept in a 4 foot tank regardless of species.
For those who are gasping at my audacity of challenging the tang police, I want you to know that I have always felt that once you buy a lifeform (of a fish, etc), you have a responsibility to get the equipment to keep it alive and healthy, or to return it to someplace where it will get the care it needs. In the past, I have had to make unexpected upgrades in tanks because of gifts my wife has brought home for me because she didn't realize the ramifications of her purchase. So, don't think that I am one of those that figures I will try it because worst case scenario the tang will die and I'm out $40 bucks. I don't think that way.
I think it is ok that some questions asked and readdressed over time, even if it means creating a duplicate post. Different people with different experiences will chime in and give their opinions based on what has worked in their tanks. Some of those people may not have been around the first time through. Some may have gained additional experience since the last time they commented on the subject. Perhaps they thought that a certain practice was bad and now they have learned that in their circumstance it has turned out well.
Finally, if you want to ban something, why don't we ban people being so uptight. Life's too short to be raising blood pressure over multiple posts or other trivial matters. Everyone on this board is trying to do their best to keep their livestock healthy. If they weren't, they wouldn't be reading posts on this board in the first place. Some people are more open to advice. Some people aren't. All that someone in the know can do is give advice. You can't force someone to take it.
 
sk8shorty01

sk8shorty01

Active Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
1. People who know nothing giving advice. Its not about having 500 posts a month. Its about giving people accurate advice...there are way to many noobs talking and not listning. Perfect Dark , Sep, Beth, Lion, ophiura, 1journey, bang,( Sorry,I know I'm missing some) all give great advice and should I not no something, I would trust what they tell me.
2. Use the search feature....i get tired of seeing the same questions that have been answered a hundred times before. There are so many usesless threads that could be avoided.
3. Don't troll, its just not cool....and don't post stupid comments like
(ChrgerOnDavins)I still think tangs need at least a 130,000 gallon tank so they can play hopskotch and drive sports cars
( SH2000) Where to begin????
4. Keep your profile up to date...if you're asking about a naso and your profile says 12 gal nano or even worse nothing...expect to be flamed.
5. Don't bother asking questions you don't want to hear the honest answer to...people ask a question simply to get that one person who thinks its ok to put 4 tangs in a 55gal
Anyone agree with me?

I agree for the most part, but I dont think you should be telling those that are young in the hobby that they should just sit there and listen and not talk. That is kind of like the old saying "children are to be seen, not heard". I personally don't agree with this because everyone can tell you what is right, but you are an intelligent being and should be able to decifer who's opinion has more weight to it. If someone says something that you don't feel is quite correct, or you are not sure you trust their word, then wait on another poster to follow up. Its still your choice on who to listen to, no matter how many people chime in.
 
m0nk

m0nk

Active Member
There are definitely some antagonizing threads lately, and yes, people who are new to the hobby, or haven't done their research, possibly shouldn't be posting answers/advice... there is also some truth to your "troll" comment, but I'm questioning the need for this thread in general. This here is the other side of the coin, where comments are antagonizing and are only really "stirring the pot"; it's the other extreme. We can't control who posts what, this is an open forum, which is a good thing, even though there are some minor downsides that go along with that. Search doesn't always yield helpful results, and we can't only have mods answering questions. If someone is abusing the rules with their trolling, a mod will make a determination of the appropriate course of action. Also, profiles aren't exactly the first thing on everyone's mind. I try to keep mine up to date, only because I'm on here ALL DAY, but other people aren't always here that much and come on to post their questions and get responses, not always thinking about their profile. Asking some questions in a response to them usually yields the info needed.
 
perfectdark

perfectdark

Active Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
http:///forum/post/2493019
I enjoy the forums here, but some things seriously need to change:
1. People who know nothing giving advice. Its not about having 500 posts a month. Its about giving people accurate advice...there are way to many noobs talking and not listning.
Anyone agree with me?
I think this shouldnt be taken out of context. Its not that the advice of noob isnt welcome. IMO and I too fully admit when I started this hobby I was guilty of. There are a lot of instances where a comment is made from a poster and this happens more with noobs than with any others, that advice has no facts to back it or credibility from experience. It was just something that they heard and that they passed on. And unfortunatly there are a lot of stray comments that get passed on in the forums that are not correct at all. They go unnoticed for a while until an experienced reefer challanges the statment or debunks it. But by that time it might have been repeated a dozen times in other posts.
 
matt b

matt b

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The only thing I dont like is when people just hear what other people say and say it to the other person that is asking even tho the have no idea why they are saying it.
 
florida joe

florida joe

Well-Known Member
I agree in most part only I feel the length of time a person is in the hobby or on the boards should not deter them from giving advice many people dive (no pun intended) into this hobby and immediately begin a campaign of research. I think it would be fair to say the few people you mentioned to take advice from are posting some of their comments from research and not first hand experience
 
cowfishrule

cowfishrule

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sometimes you post a repetative question because you dont know how to phrase what exactly you are looking for.
i still do it some times, if i cant find something that i'm looking for.
you can flame all you want, but really, what does that accomplish?
 
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sexyshrimp101

Guest
I thought I would chime in here because I personally do not have experience with some of the things that I post about (i.e. tangs) but I have done so much reading on this forum since I have joined (I didn't even start my tank until November) and have researched from other sources, that I feel I can share where I feel I have even a little bit of knowledge. I take a lot of what I read on here since there is such a plethera of knowledge, and use it to help myself and hopefully help someone else, and even though I am a noob, if I see someone's post and can possibly contribute, I will. If someone corrects me on something I have posted, then great, I learned something else, and maybe someone else did to, which is one of the main things I am here to do, to learn. Just my $.02
 
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