Canopy Lighting Help

jw1977

Member
Here's a pic of the top of my canopy that will be going over my 90g i just purchased. I have no experience with canopy lighting. I've thought about just buying a fixture(Icecap MH, T5, LED moonlights). Maybe a retrofit would be a better choice but i'll let you guys give me your opinions. If you think retrofit is the way to go, please give some links on what to buy as I have no clue what to buy.
 
Thanks.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Personally I would close the top in,in some shape or form....But even if you decide not to I could easily see either a retro kit of MH & T5 being easily mountable or even going with individual reflectors for MH's & T5's would be an easy task at hand.....Honestly your choice and what the wallet can take.
 

jw1977

Member
I was planning on spending anything from $500-$1000. What would be best? Can you guide me to a good retrofit kit that has everything i would need. Thanks.
 

flower

Well-Known Member

 
I have a 90g and I am not very handy…I first purchased a retrofit MH light. No matter what it is too hot to leave the top on. I removed the hinged top and placed the lights over that area with wood blocks I attached to the canopy. It made the canopy a PITA to remove when I wanted to work on the tank. The glass I used to separate the lights from the water got covered so bad in salt I removed it…the results was a short in my light from tank moisture.
 
I replaced my lights with a full hanging unit. I put it on a pulley system. It hovers over the place where the hinged top was and I just raise it up to work on the tank. Of all the lights, this system has worked the best for me. I love the finished look of the canopy and ease of hanging them and just raising them to work on the tank is great.
 
 
 

 
 
 

acrylic51

Active Member
With proper planning a retro fit kit, can/could work without major heat issues as discussed earlier.....Flower was there any fans or ventilation holes in the canopy to help with removing the heat? The glass lids is another issue for several reasons as Flower pointed out....They will get covered in moisture, salt creep and will effectively cut down the light penetration if not cleaned very frequently. Flower also was trapping the heat inside the DT, by having the glass lids on as well. The short hard to explain, but obviously it was odd, but excessive moisture can cause issues.
 
Personally I've run several tanks over the many years and have gone from retro fit kits, to purchasing separate components and putting the system together. Either route I chose, I have never experienced the issues posted above. Proper distance of the lights over the tank, proper ventilation, and quality parts, and a little care, I've never had any shorts, other than burning the back of my arm on the MH bulb.....
 
Bottom line really depends how handy you are and how involved you want to get in the project. Are you handy?
 

acrylic51

Active Member
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw1977 http:///forum/thread/380341/canopy-lighting-help#post_3310075
Here's a pic of the top of my canopy that will be going over my 90g i just purchased. I have no experience with canopy lighting. I've thought about just buying a fixture(Icecap MH, T5, LED moonlights). Maybe a retrofit would be a better choice but i'll let you guys give me your opinions. If you think retrofit is the way to go, please give some links on what to buy as I have no clue what to buy.
 
Thanks.
 
Just curious!!!! Is the open end the top or the front of the canopy? I'm assuming it's the top???
 
 

flower

Well-Known Member
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380341/canopy-lighting-help#post_3311040
With proper planning a retro fit kit, can/could work without major heat issues as discussed earlier.....Flower was there any fans or ventilation holes in the canopy to help with removing the heat? The glass lids is another issue for several reasons as Flower pointed out....They will get covered in moisture, salt creep and will effectively cut down the light penetration if not cleaned very frequently. Flower also was trapping the heat inside the DT, by having the glass lids on as well. The short hard to explain, but obviously it was odd, but excessive moisture can cause issues.
 
Personally I've run several tanks over the many years and have gone from retro fit kits, to purchasing separate components and putting the system together. Either route I chose, I have never experienced the issues posted above. Proper distance of the lights over the tank, proper ventilation, and quality parts, and a little care, I've never had any shorts, other than burning the back of my arm on the MH bulb.....
 
Bottom line really depends how handy you are and how involved you want to get in the project. Are you handy?

 
The glass was not all across the top, just under the lights themselves. Also I had two icecap fans installed kitty corner, one to draw heat out and one to push heat away. I had no heating problems from the lights that I recall. I lifted the lights higher and removed the glass...moisture affected the lights over a years time and shorted them out.
 
The worst problem is how difficult it made removing the canopy to work on the tank. I had quick release cables but it still made the canopy hard to maneuver and there was no working on the tank without removing it. The ONLY thing I could do was feed the fish.
 
That last line in red...VERY IMPORTANT..That picture looks like a home made canopy, makes a BIG difference...mine was the standard one from the fish store
 
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw1977 http:///forum/thread/380341/canopy-lighting-help#post_3311090
The open end is the top of the canopy. I'm not all that handy but i know someone who is.

 
Handy friends are great to have! A home made canopy can be made more roomy and the grief I encountered with removing the thing everytime I had to even sift a rock or move a coral could be avoided. Have cabnet doors made on the front so you can reach your tank easier, that's what I would do if I could...even now with everything on pulleys..Just a thought
 
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
If you bought a plug and play fixture you could probably just set it right on top of the canopy. If you ever decide on the IcaCap fixture make sure you get the MH/T5 combo...don't get the all T5 fixture. For whatever reason they opted not to go with the active cooling system in the all T5 fixture.
 

jw1977

Member
Really, You think I could set it on top of the canopy? Would that look weird? The canopy kind of swings open for feeding etc. I'm hoping to not have to take the canopy off to get in the tank but I guess there may be no way around it.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
I don't think it would be too wierd. I've seen alot of set ups done that very same way. And by the looks of it I don't think it would interfere with opening the canopy door. Alot of those plug and play systems come with hanging hardware to hang them from the ceiling so that's always another option.
 

jw1977

Member
You don't happen to have any pics of this type of setup do you? So do you mean the fixture would actually rest on top top of the 3 cross braces or would you use the supplied mounting legs? Also, how would a plug n play fixture work with the cooling? Thanks again for your help.
 

bulldog123

Member
If you like a cleaner look as I do, go with the retro. I do not like the fixture sittiing on top of the canopy. I have two tanks, one each way and the retro is the way to go.
 

2quills

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw1977 http:///forum/thread/380341/canopy-lighting-help#post_3311115
You don't happen to have any pics of this type of setup do you? So do you mean the fixture would actually rest on top top of the 3 cross braces or would you use the supplied mounting legs? Also, how would a plug n play fixture work with the cooling? Thanks again for your help.
I don't personally have any pics with a fixture resting ontop of a canopy but I'm sure if you searched around you could find some. It's really which ever way you want to go. Another way to get a cleaner look like Bulldog mentioned would be to fashion some supports inside of your canopy on either side so that the ends of the fixture could rest on them for support. You're canopy seems tall enough that you could do that. There's many ways to do it. It really just comes down to personal choice. But yes, the mounting legs would probably be a better option then just resting on the wood.
 
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Decide what fixture you want to go with....either way your handy friend could make either 1 fit, but a retro w/MH & T5's would be my choice. I think from the pic a couple quick mods and within and 1hr or 2 you could be up and running.
 

jw1977

Member
Someone posted earlier that premade fixtures are made to have air going on the outside of them. Is this true? From a cooling standpoint is it better to retro?
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by jw1977 http:///forum/thread/380341/canopy-lighting-help#post_3311263
Someone posted earlier that premade fixtures are made to have air going on the outside of them. Is this true? From a cooling standpoint is it better to retro?
I don't think that is exactly what he said....he just stated in that version no active cooling.....Regardless I think if you installed fans in the canopy it would be enough for any situation. IMO not taking cooling into account, either way would/could work. IMO retro would give a cleaner look and be easier IMHO to install and fit the canopy without having to worry about legs and such.
 
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