cant decide on filtration.

trigger40

trigger40

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hello,

over the course of two months i have been trying to figure out what type of filtration i want for my next tank. the tank will be a 75 gallon fowlr. the stock will be a piccaso trigger, snowflake eel, and an angel fish. now i cant decide on a sump system or two emporer 500 HOB filters. i would normaly say the sump but the type of sump i would get would not need a drilled tank so it would be the kind that has the box hanging in the tank with the pumps to and from the sump. but i have heard that thes style sumps can be a paine in the butt, but if it will provide the tank with better filtration that it will desperately need then i will do it, if the two HOB filters are enough then great but if not and i need to go sump please let me know.

thank you for any insight and advise.
 
tonysi

tonysi

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With that bio-load the more filtration the better. I'd personally go with a sump and a big skimmer.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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If you don't mind Bristle Worms I think they can do the cleanup you need for these messy eaters. In addition to that 1/2" of sand in combination with your live rock and a lot of waterflow should easily handle all of your filtration without the canister filters.

A couple things:

The Nitrate removal. If you have enough high quality live rock the nitrates should be kept in check. You may need additional water changes or bigger water changes if you don't have any type of algae scrubber.

Phosphates. They are going to build up. Be sure you have an oversized efficient skimmer to handle most of the Phosphates. An algae scrubber can handle the rest. Although the phosphates will not seem to affect your fish much high levels will stunt their growth and add to their stress.

Instead of using a canister for filtration, run it a few days a month with high quality GAC to maintain water clarity.
 
tonysi

tonysi

Member
If you don't mind Bristle Worms I think they can do the cleanup you need for these messy eaters.  In addition to that 1/2" of sand in combination with your live rock and a lot of waterflow should easily handle all of your filtration without the canister filters.
A couple things:
The Nitrate removal.  If you have enough high quality live rock the nitrates should be kept in check.  You may need additional water changes or bigger water changes if you don't have any type of algae scrubber.
Phosphates.  They are going to build up.  Be sure you have an oversized efficient skimmer to handle most of the Phosphates.  An algae scrubber can handle the rest.  Although the phosphates will not seem to affect your fish much high levels will stunt their growth and add to their stress.
Instead of using a canister for filtration, run it a few days a month with high quality GAC to maintain water clarity.
Great advice :t^:
 
trigger40

trigger40

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/397615/cant-decide-on-filtration#post_3544600
If you don't mind Bristle Worms I think they can do the cleanup you need for these messy eaters. In addition to that 1/2" of sand in combination with your live rock and a lot of waterflow should easily handle all of your filtration without the canister filters.

A couple things:

The Nitrate removal. If you have enough high quality live rock the nitrates should be kept in check. You may need additional water changes or bigger water changes if you don't have any type of algae scrubber.

Phosphates. They are going to build up. Be sure you have an oversized efficient skimmer to handle most of the Phosphates. An algae scrubber can handle the rest. Although the phosphates will not seem to affect your fish much high levels will stunt their growth and add to their stress.

Instead of using a canister for filtration, run it a few days a month with high quality GAC to maintain water clarity.
thank you bang guy for all those great pointers i have a spare 15g tank (24x12x12) that i was going to use for a sump would a skimer the size that i would need fit in that size sump. i am asuming that i would need a bigger sump but that is what i got and i would not want to waste it. and of all the crazzy looking things my lfs has in its live rock i have never seen bristle worms. maybe i dont stay up late enough. i would have a power head running or some thing to keep the water moving. so the HOB filters are out unless i am missing something.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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I'm more of a critter person so I tend to have a bias toward setups that cater to keeping critters. For a fish only there is no problem at all with having a HOB filter. It will actually keep the water more polished and clear looking that what I suggested. The downside for me is that they filter out the eggs and larvae of many of the critters so I tend to shy away from that.
 
trigger40

trigger40

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/397615/cant-decide-on-filtration#post_3544635
I'm more of a critter person so I tend to have a bias toward setups that cater to keeping critters. For a fish only there is no problem at all with having a HOB filter. It will actually keep the water more polished and clear looking that what I suggested. The downside for me is that they filter out the eggs and larvae of many of the critters so I tend to shy away from that.
well i gess the HOBs are ok if they provide me with a stable enviroment. but by critter eggs and larva do you mean the suff on the live rock?
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Yes. Your most stable environment will actually come from having good water flow over the sand and rock
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