Carbon?
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whitemike
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Originally Posted by acrylic51
I'm trying to find out if what is being said is it harmful to run carbon?? :thinking: I don't think it really is IMO.....I want CandyCane to reveal where he got this information so others can partake in it and make their own evaluation......
Yes Im in on that too. Cause I use carbon.
I'm trying to find out if what is being said is it harmful to run carbon?? :thinking: I don't think it really is IMO.....I want CandyCane to reveal where he got this information so others can partake in it and make their own evaluation......
Yes Im in on that too. Cause I use carbon.
candycane
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Originally Posted by WhiteMike
Yes Im in on that too. Cause I use carbon.
Wanna do something scary? Call any company on the planet that makes Carbon and ask them the exact amount of phosphate that their carbon has. There are a HUGE amount of things that survive off of even the smallest amount of phosphate in your tank. Hense the reason that we all try to purchase salts that are nitrate and phosphate free. Because after time, usually years - it can build up to near toxic levels and cause what we all love to refer to Old Tank Syndrome.
Yes Im in on that too. Cause I use carbon.
Wanna do something scary? Call any company on the planet that makes Carbon and ask them the exact amount of phosphate that their carbon has. There are a HUGE amount of things that survive off of even the smallest amount of phosphate in your tank. Hense the reason that we all try to purchase salts that are nitrate and phosphate free. Because after time, usually years - it can build up to near toxic levels and cause what we all love to refer to Old Tank Syndrome.
reefreak29
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Originally Posted by candycane
Wanna do something scary? Call any company on the planet that makes Carbon and ask them the exact amount of phosphate that their carbon has. There are a HUGE amount of things that survive off of even the smallest amount of phosphate in your tank. Hense the reason that we all try to purchase salts that are nitrate and phosphate free. Because after time, usually years - it can build up to near toxic levels and cause what we all love to refer to Old Tank Syndrome.
are u suggesting not to use carbon?
Wanna do something scary? Call any company on the planet that makes Carbon and ask them the exact amount of phosphate that their carbon has. There are a HUGE amount of things that survive off of even the smallest amount of phosphate in your tank. Hense the reason that we all try to purchase salts that are nitrate and phosphate free. Because after time, usually years - it can build up to near toxic levels and cause what we all love to refer to Old Tank Syndrome.
are u suggesting not to use carbon?
candycane
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Phosphate levels continually build up in an aquarium. Because there really is not much that abosrbs the low end phosphates (as in there are two different forms). I can't really suggest anything, but you can call every company on the planet and ask them what their phosphate level is in their carbon and they will ALL have some amount. Do you like phosphate? Because I hate it.
acrylic51
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I do have to beg to differ being that I presented the question to Randy Holmes Farley and would suggest others as well to as similar questions before making rash decisions......I was informed very little detriment from using carbon and there are tons of reports out there to read as well......So with that said what do you use CandyCane.....
candycane
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Renew. I don't care what anyone said. Bottom line is that ALL carbons release phosphate and that it does stand the potential over time of building up to toxic levels. EVERY SINGLE CARBON ON THE PLANET - HAS PHOSPHATE!!! It is also a continuous amount of leaching that occurs with carbon. Phosphate is present in nearly every organism on earth. Bottom line as to what I am saying is that if you want to keep these chemicals out of your tank and not use things that release phosphate right?, then why use them at all even if it is the smallest amount (regardless of what it is, carbon, salt, additive, food, etc.)? You get enough things together that release phosphate, you get a lot of phosphate - regardless of the amounts.
acrylic51
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Anything can become toxic levels if left unchecked and if you would honestly take some time to read the articles and such from Farleys forum you would see there are products people do use to remove Phosphate.......
candycane
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I said Renew about 3 times I think? Look, you want to believe him, that is fine. You don't want to believe me, that is fine. I am not going to lose any sleep over it, trust me. However, if you want to actually think on your own and do some research, then GOOD FOR YOU I say. I will not argue over this, it's pointless. Pick up your phone, go to people's websites and start dialing the little digits with your finger - asking how much phosphate their carbon releases. Then find out what dangerously high amounts are and get back to me. If you don't want to do that, then what you say - means nothing. Not to mention that low range phosphate test kits werent even available on a commercial level 2 years ago. People should make the decision on their own based on what they see. The next expert is always out their to contradict what another person says. Remember when undergravel filters were highly recommended in Marine Aquaria? You HAVE TO WASH THE stuff for 10 minutes before you can put it in your filter.
renogaw
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i was wondering this as well since in the qt sticky post in the disease forum it says that carbon may cause hlle.
Activated Carbon
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence suggesting that the use of activated carbon in filters is a causation of HLLE in fish, particularly tangs. It is purported that HLLE can result when carbon particles leech into the aquaria, or the leaching of organics filtered by carbon, or by the removal of essential water elements by the carbon’s mechanical filtration component. Whatever is the cause, animals prone to HLLE kept in aquaria that relies on natural filters, such as sandbeds, live rock, refugium systems, macroalgae or mangrove tanks and good water movement throughout the system, usually remain healthy and free of HLLE.
That is not to say that hobbyist should throw out their canister filters. Rather, that if HLLE erosion is an issue in your system, or if you plan to keep fish prone to HLLE, then use carbon sparingly rather than constantly. Use it for a few hours occasional to polish the water, not a constant exposure. Natural filters, regardless of disease considerations, is always a healthy choice for captive marine animals.
Activated Carbon
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence suggesting that the use of activated carbon in filters is a causation of HLLE in fish, particularly tangs. It is purported that HLLE can result when carbon particles leech into the aquaria, or the leaching of organics filtered by carbon, or by the removal of essential water elements by the carbon’s mechanical filtration component. Whatever is the cause, animals prone to HLLE kept in aquaria that relies on natural filters, such as sandbeds, live rock, refugium systems, macroalgae or mangrove tanks and good water movement throughout the system, usually remain healthy and free of HLLE.
That is not to say that hobbyist should throw out their canister filters. Rather, that if HLLE erosion is an issue in your system, or if you plan to keep fish prone to HLLE, then use carbon sparingly rather than constantly. Use it for a few hours occasional to polish the water, not a constant exposure. Natural filters, regardless of disease considerations, is always a healthy choice for captive marine animals.
candycane
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Originally Posted by acrylic51
In you eyes or mind what is the best, salt and chemicals to use i a tank to avoid any pollutants or toxins????
I read everyone's articles. Doesn't mean I care about them. Fact is that I have hundreds of pages of the chemical composition of every salt on the market. Don't believe me. Call IO, KM, Red Sea, and Seachem. See who has the lowest leachable phosphate level in their salt. I already know -
I read everyone's articles. Doesn't mean I care about them. Fact is that I have hundreds of pages of the chemical composition of every salt on the market. Don't believe me. Call IO, KM, Red Sea, and Seachem. See who has the lowest leachable phosphate level in their salt. I already know -
candycane
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I mean granted, dude just posted another problem with carbon. IT'S CARBON is the problem that I have with it, LOL. It does take organics out your water, and some of them do strip your tank of trace elements. I think everyone knows that. So what is the big problem with that fact that I don't like it? Not to mention everyone's regimen of putting it on a screen of some sort and the endless stream of ash that washes off, to be totally ignored and just thrown into a filter regardless of what could possibly be left. I mean think about what you go through when you replace your carbon every month or whenever you do it, you don't see a problem yet? Then you are basically putting these chemicals into your tank, still don't see the problem? Then what would happen to your lungs if you tried to breath through a bag of carbon even if it was washed (I DEFINETELY wouldnt do it)? I know that on hundreds of aquariums, when I stopped using carbon years ago, I didn't need to adjust my levels on much of anything any more. It is maybe twice a week at most, as opposed to every day.
As for the experts. They have their opinions too.
As for the experts. They have their opinions too.
candycane
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Originally Posted by renogaw
i was wondering this as well since in the qt sticky post in the disease forum it says that carbon may cause hlle.
HLLE would be similar to massive weight loss for us. It can happen because of lack of proper nutrition and needed chemicals that we are being depleted of.
i was wondering this as well since in the qt sticky post in the disease forum it says that carbon may cause hlle.
HLLE would be similar to massive weight loss for us. It can happen because of lack of proper nutrition and needed chemicals that we are being depleted of.
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jrthomas40
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i am new to this so here is a question if carbon is so bad...how come it is in the filters when you replace the cartridge???