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t316

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How about this? When things get boring and fans stop coming, throw your "rules and policies" out the window and let the drivers RACE...

Should be interesting this year...Bump drafting is back. Changes to the restrictor plate will break up those follow the leader trains on the big tracks. I'm kind of surprised the drivers went for it, but I likes it...

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar...rry&id=4845703
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3215631
How about this? When things get boring and fans stop coming, throw your "rules and policies" out the window and let the drivers RACE...

Should be interesting this year...Bump drafting is back. Changes to the restrictor plate will break up those follow the leader trains on the big tracks. I'm kind of surprised the drivers went for it, but I likes it...

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar...rry&id=4845703

Have they brought back right turns yet? I refuse to watch till they do.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3215643
Have they brought back right turns yet? I refuse to watch till they do.
June 20th (Sonoma) and August 8 (Watkins Glen) they will.
What racing series do you watch that has both turns? And sorta confused what you mean by "bring back"? They sorta always been going around in a circle.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3215631
How about this? When things get boring and fans stop coming, throw your "rules and policies" out the window and let the drivers RACE...

Should be interesting this year...Bump drafting is back. Changes to the restrictor plate will break up those follow the leader trains on the big tracks. I'm kind of surprised the drivers went for it, but I likes it...

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar...rry&id=4845703
I dunno, opening up the plates and eliminating the bump draft rules all at once could be a mistake. Might make "the big one" the REALLY big one or end up with a car in the stands.
I thought it would be cool to drop to V6's for Talledaga and Daytona and let them have at it as far as engines go.
I think their biggest mistake was trying to civilize the sport. I'd rather see them duke it out on pit road after the race then dump someone on the track.
 
t316

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3215648
I dunno, opening up the plates and eliminating the bump draft rules all at once could be a mistake. Might make "the big one" the REALLY big one or end up with a car in the stands.
I thought it would be cool to drop to V6's for Talledaga and Daytona and let them have at it as far as engines go.
I think their biggest mistake was trying to civilize the sport. I'd rather see them duke it out on pit road after the race then dump someone on the track.
Trying to "civilize" or control the sport is what got them into this. Fans just don't like it, and they finally sent the message. Racing is a contact sport.
I agree that there's going to be some more "big one's", that's for sure. That's why I'm a little surprised that the drivers went for it. On the other hand, I think drivers like E. Jr. are going to take advantage of this. We are going to start seeing some more personalities surface on the track, and of course this is going to lead to some action in the pits and garage after the races. Should be fun for us...
 
bionicarm

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Best decision NASCAR could ever make. I was sick of them babysitting drivers, and forcing them to play nice with each other on the track. These are professional drivers that spend their lives learning every aspect of their vehicle. One of the most positive things that came out of the COTS car was safety. There have been some horrific wrecks since they started using these cars, and the drivers are walking out of them with hardly a scratch. This is what they get paid to do. They are aware of the dangers and risks. They should've never let NASCAR dictate how they do their job. This is exactly what they needed to do to bring the fans back. I was an avid watcher until the last year or so. You'd have races like Daytona and Talledega where you'd turn it on at Lap 1, go out and do something for an hour, come back, and the same cars were in the same position they were in at the beginning of the race. I remember the last Talledega race when they stopped letting them bump draft. They must have gone 50 laps single file. The most boring race I ever watched. Now I can't wait for Daytona! Boogidy, Boogidy, Boogidy. LET'S GO RACIN' BOYS!!!
 
uneverno

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Instead of getting rid of restrictor plates, how 'bout getting rid of carburetors altogether?
As for bump drafting and the plates, you'd think E Jr. would be most opposed to it...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by swimmer4uus
http:///forum/post/3215703
I'd would definantly like to see more road courses put into the season...
Road course are boring for the fans. They don't ever seem to put enough cameras out to watch all the action. The only time you see any exciting passing is in the hairpin turns. If you like road races, stick with IRL or Formula 1.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3215715
Instead of getting rid of restrictor plates, how 'bout getting rid of carburetors altogether?
As for bump drafting and the plates, you'd think E Jr. would be most opposed to it...
Well, Jr. has had the past year and the best equip. money can buy, and it ain't working. He's frustrated, as are a lot of the drivers. So if the cars are going to be equal, I think that they are going to use the extra horsepower to put some of the strategy back in the hands of the drivers. These guys are going to be bumping, shoving, and using that take off HP to mix it up and see if it doesn't weed out the wimps. I suspect we will see Jr. up in the top 10 a lot more this upcoming season...starting with Daytona.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3215715
Instead of getting rid of restrictor plates, how 'bout getting rid of carburetors altogether?
I bet a lot of it has to do NASCAR being able to control the cars. The more technology you let in, the great the chance for someone to cheat, or find a loophole. With a basic carb'd V8, there's really only so many parts to it, all of which NASCAR can fairly easily check. A twin-turbo V6, running on about 11 different computers, would be a nightmare to inspect 46 or so different cars.
I personally I would love to see the cars with more power and going faster. Bill Elliott set the NASCAR speed record in 1987 at Talledega @ 212.8mph. Now that these cars are tons safer, I think we can kick the speeds back up. Just as long as they do it right and just give them the power. IRL's "push-to-pass" button, or F1's regenerative braking, are atrocious ideas....
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3215724
Road course are boring for the fans. They don't ever seem to put enough cameras out to watch all the action. The only time you see any exciting passing is in the hairpin turns. If you like road races, stick with IRL or Formula 1.
Go watch an Australian V8 Supercar race and then come tell me road racing is boring
. I've been to 6 Cup races (2 Daytona, 4 Homestead), but honestly I think I enjoyed the times at the Rolex 24 Hour and Sebring 12 hour races a bunch more.
 
reefraff

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What I would be afraid of is a car or pieces there of ending up in the stands. Then you get government stepping in to "fix" the sport so it is safe. Increasing speeds at the super speedways might be a big mistake.
 
scotts

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It is kind of interesting, are people forgetting about Carl Edwards getting into the fence last year? I mean trust me I HATE restrictor plate racing. I always have. In fact the reason I missed Earnhardt winning Daytona was because it was a plate race and I went shopping with the family insted of watching the race.
My favorite times to watch NASCAR was before they signed the network deal. Then it grew fast and they tried to make it fun for everyone. Now that some of the newer fans have tried it and left it sounds like they are trying to get it back to where they were before the network deal was signed.
One thing that bothered me about that article was how they want Jr. to start doing better, and now are relaxing the rules. Are they changing the rules FOR Jr? That ain't right.
 
reefraff

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I have always thought they played games with the plates anyway so I didn't like them. I just thought it would be cool to see what they could do with less cylinders and no restrictions, good ol fashioned who can squeeze the most ponies out without cratering it racing.
 
moprint

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fuel injection is coming just wait and see. it didn't work out for ASA so can you say IROC that was a joke.
 
t316

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3215856
What I would be afraid of is a car or pieces there of ending up in the stands. Then you get government stepping in to "fix" the sport so it is safe. Increasing speeds at the super speedways might be a big mistake.
reef...wrong thread. This is racing, not politics

Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/3215864
It is kind of interesting, are people forgetting about Carl Edwards getting into the fence last year? I mean trust me I HATE restrictor plate racing. I always have. In fact the reason I missed Earnhardt winning Daytona was because it was a plate race and I went shopping with the family insted of watching the race.
My favorite times to watch NASCAR was before they signed the network deal. Then it grew fast and they tried to make it fun for everyone. Now that some of the newer fans have tried it and left it sounds like they are trying to get it back to where they were before the network deal was signed.
One thing that bothered me about that article was how they want Jr. to start doing better, and now are relaxing the rules. Are they changing the rules FOR Jr? That ain't right.
I am a Jr. fan, but I really don't think they are catering to Jr, because most all of the drivers are going for this. They may use Jr. (and Stewart/Gordon) as poster boys on this transition, but that's just them playing the fan/media game. They know who the fans like (most popular) so obviously they will play this game.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3215866
I have always thought they played games with the plates anyway so I didn't like them. I just thought it would be cool to see what they could do with less cylinders and no restrictions, good ol fashioned who can squeeze the most ponies out without cratering it racing.
This is available every Fri. night at your local dirt track. We are talking the big boys here. If it were up to me, I'd give them all a jet engine to have at it. This ain't the pony rides at the fair...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3215724
Road course are boring for the fans. They don't ever seem to put enough cameras out to watch all the action. The only time you see any exciting passing is in the hairpin turns. If you like road races, stick with IRL or Formula 1.
I really like watching the road races. They're some of my favorites...
 
scotts

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This is the part that kind of irked me, like they are going to change the rules for him.
Felix Sabates, a co-owner at Earnhardt Ganassi Racing, thinks a little Dale Earnhardt Jr. success would go a long way to solving some problems.
"Dale Junior's lack of winning the last two years has really hurt the sport overall," Sabates said. "I hope he wins a bunch of races this year because it will bring out fans and be good for everybody."
Even France agrees with that assessment.
"He is the Lakers or the Celtics for us," France said of Junior. "He is the major franchise. If he gets back to a high level it will help NASCAR. There's no question about it."
Maybe NASCAR's new level of race-day tolerance will help Junior, as well.
I think for restrictor plates they should change the handling of the car more than the engine. Make it so that they are harder handle and some people will be able figure it out and some people won't. That way the cars will break up more insted of one boring pack so you only have to watch the last 3 laps of the race.
But letting the drivers be drivers in one good step. Let them "discuss" things after a race, let them cuss on their own radio.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3215934
reef...wrong thread. This is racing, not politics

I am a Jr. fan, but I really don't think they are catering to Jr, because most all of the drivers are going for this. They may use Jr. (and Stewart/Gordon) as poster boys on this transition, but that's just them playing the fan/media game. They know who the fans like (most popular) so obviously they will play this game.
This is available every Fri. night at your local dirt track. We are talking the big boys here. If it were up to me, I'd give them all a jet engine to have at it. This ain't the pony rides at the fair...
In case you missed the politicians discovered NASCAR when it got popular

The reason for the restrictor plates in the first place (well actually second place) was the speeds were getting to the point where cars were getting airborne in crashes and the danger of having one end up in the stands needed to be dealt with.
Now I guess they could just eliminate the first 10 or 20 rows of seating at the super speedways and install better netting to deal with it.
 
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