Changes to Nascar...

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/3216073
This is the part that kind of irked me, like they are going to change the rules for him.
I think for restrictor plates they should change the handling of the car more than the engine. Make it so that they are harder handle and some people will be able figure it out and some people won't. That way the cars will break up more insted of one boring pack so you only have to watch the last 3 laps of the race.
But letting the drivers be drivers in one good step. Let them "discuss" things after a race, let them cuss on their own radio.
Paying Jimmy Johnson to move to Indy cars would be the best thing they could do to increase popularity again
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3216137
The reason for the restrictor plates in the first place (well actually second place) was the speeds were getting to the point where cars were getting airborne in crashes and the danger of having one end up in the stands needed to be dealt with.

Good point...The speeds now on the super speedways are on the verge of being a problem regarding going airborne into the stands. As a fan, personally I'm not looking for more speed (heck their running 200 mph), so I guess I don't have a problem limiting the speed to keep the cars inside the racetrack, or like you said, altering the catch fences. I'm mainly looking for independent power, from one car to the next, and allowing the drivers to bump and play with each other however they want to. I know that "power" equates to "speed", but they have got to figure out a way to get the cars out of that 2 hr. train line at Daytona and Talledaga. I think this move is the first step in the right direction though.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Scotts
http:///forum/post/3216073
This is the part that kind of irked me, like they are going to change the rules for him.
I think for restrictor plates they should change the handling of the car more than the engine. Make it so that they are harder handle and some people will be able figure it out and some people won't. That way the cars will break up more insted of one boring pack so you only have to watch the last 3 laps of the race.
But letting the drivers be drivers in one good step. Let them "discuss" things after a race, let them cuss on their own radio.
Jr. winning would be really good for NASCAR. I agree, he still is NASCAR. And probably will be till the day he dies.
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3216165
Good point...The speeds now on the super speedways are on the verge of being a problem regarding going airborne into the stands. As a fan, personally I'm not looking for more speed (heck their running 200 mph), so I guess I don't have a problem limiting the speed to keep the cars inside the racetrack, or like you said, altering the catch fences. I'm mainly looking for independent power, from one car to the next, and allowing the drivers to bump and play with each other however they want to. I know that "power" equates to "speed", but they have got to figure out a way to get the cars out of that 2 hr. train line at Daytona and Talledaga. I think this move is the first step in the right direction though.
Personally who cares whether it is 200 mph or 210. I can't tell the difference, it is still REDICULOUSLY fast.
I think it would be a bad idea to try and break up the packs at superspeedways. I really enjoy the pack race. You get to watch all these people drafting. It is a whole different style and strategy of race. (personally I could do without the big one)
What I love about it, is you can craft the right line, you can go from not having a chance to winning the race in half a lap. And you just don't see that at say Texas. On those cookie cutter 1.5 mile tracks, you'll see the race is between 2 or 3 people if you're lucky. At Dega or Daytona, it is between 10-15 people...
 
reefraff

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Most of the drivers hate the restrictor plate. Perhaps there is a better way to limit the top end power where they can still get around in traffic better.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3216266
Most of the drivers hate the restrictor plate. Perhaps there is a better way to limit the top end power where they can still get around in traffic better.
They hate the restrictor place, because other people screw up and they get wrecked...
 
uneverno

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3215732
Well, Jr. has had the past year and the best equip. money can buy, and it ain't working. He's frustrated, as are a lot of the drivers. So if the cars are going to be equal, I think that they are going to use the extra horsepower to put some of the strategy back in the hands of the drivers. These guys are going to be bumping, shoving, and using that take off HP to mix it up and see if it doesn't weed out the wimps. I suspect we will see Jr. up in the top 10 a lot more this upcoming season...starting with Daytona.
To my mind, he's at least as good a driver, if not better, than his dad. My point about restrictor plates was that was what killed Senior - not lack of a HANS device...
 
ironeagle2006

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What killed Senior was a combo of factors. First was the angle of impact with at 190MPH into concrete. Second was the basal Skull Facture that tore an artey in his head and caused him to bleed out. Third was the car design look at some of the hits the COT has taken and how the drivers have walked away. Compare that to what happened to Adam Petty and Big E both died of Basal Skull injuries in the old car.
However I can not wait to see how the COT reacts to the Spoiler coming back to racing instead of having the wing. Also Fuel Injection is coming to NASCAR next year Bill France stated that by 2011 the Sprint cup will have FI at some tracks.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3216597
To my mind, he's at least as good a driver, if not better, than his dad. My point about restrictor plates was that was what killed Senior - not lack of a HANS device...
NASCAR doesn't cut jr the slack they did daddy either.
The wreck Senior had could have happened anywhere with any engine package, the Hans device is the best chance he had to survive that wreck. At that angle I don't even think the soft wall would have helped.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3216462
...and Jr. winning would be good for T316 too...

If he can't win on Hendricks team....What else can be done for the guy?

Maybe Jr. should race full time in the Truck series.

Nascar needs to shorten their season, once the NFL starts they completely lose the casual fan. Or at least move the races to Friday nights when football starts, Nascar needs to realize they are not or never will be as popular as college and pro football.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3217240
If he can't win on Hendricks team....What else can be done for the guy?

Maybe Jr. should race full time in the Truck series.

Nascar needs to shorten their season, once the NFL starts they completely lose the casual fan. Or at least move the races to Friday nights when football starts, Nascar needs to realize they are not or never will be as popular as college and pro football.

I don't think NASCAR has figured out the real money is in TV revenue rather than selling NASCAR weekend tickets. Maybe run cup races on Saturday and the other on Sunday.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3217240
If he can't win on Hendricks team....What else can be done for the guy?

Maybe Jr. should race full time in the Truck series.

Nascar needs to shorten their season, once the NFL starts they completely lose the casual fan. Or at least move the races to Friday nights when football starts, Nascar needs to realize they are not or never will be as popular as college and pro football.

You are either a lover or a hata...I guess you are the latter

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3217246
I don't think NASCAR has figured out the real money is in TV revenue rather than selling NASCAR weekend tickets. Maybe run cup races on Saturday and the other on Sunday.
I think NASCAR can definately hang with college football. There were times, in days past, where Sunday afternoons were reserved for racing, mainly in the South. They are moving in a better direction now with the changes.
I don't think we will ever see Fri. nights though. In the racing world, this is when all of your local dirt tracks are running, so this would probably put many of them out of business.
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3217246
I don't think NASCAR has figured out the real money is in TV revenue rather than selling NASCAR weekend tickets. Maybe run cup races on Saturday and the other on Sunday.
I don't think they can compete with college football either.
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3217250
You are either a lover or a hata...I guess you are the latter

Got nothing against the guy, he seems like a decent person, just don't think he is a top level driver...Sure likes that "high line" though.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3217255
I don't think they can compete with college football either.
Got nothing against the guy, he seems like a decent person, just don't think he is a top level driver...Sure likes that "high line" though.

Obviously I'm a Jr. fan, but the one thing I don't like about him is that I think he hit fame & fortune a tad to early. He has never had to get dirty and work for it like his Dad. I still think he's a good racer (not the top racer), but it was evident in the whole departure from DEI, with his sister doing all of his negotiations, that it's all about money. Yes, they wanted a team where he had better chances at a championship, but he knows what the name brings in and they were going for the dough.
He honestly appeared to put the deal behind him, let his sister worry about everything, and focus on driving. I was worried that he might follow in Kyle Petty's footsteps and just ride the name around the track, always too scared to get in the dogfight. This season should hopefully bring out some more of his aggresiveness.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3217240
If he can't win on Hendricks team....What else can be done for the guy?

Maybe Jr. should race full time in the Truck series.

Nascar needs to shorten their season, once the NFL starts they completely lose the casual fan. Or at least move the races to Friday nights when football starts, Nascar needs to realize they are not or never will be as popular as college and pro football.

I dunno, they'll pull 100k plus on a weekend. I do agree they don't need such a long season. They need to leavea fan wanting. Not completely stuffed. That and they need some stability in their TV scheduling. The first fox half of the season, I follow with no problem it is when I have to figure out which channel they're on. Plus yes, I'm going to watch my cowboys. That and the ABC coverage sucks.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3223043
so are yall going to do a fantasy league again?
I sent Scott an email about 2 hrs ago asking him this very question (since he has been the one to set it up for the past couple of years). But yes, I intend to participate. I don't know if he will want to or not, since last year he dropped out about 3/4 the way thru...said he enjoyed the races more not having to worry about who he had selected in the league. He should get back to me soon.
 
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