Changing 2 tires

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354419
Unfortunately this is a 3-4 hour drive for me each weekend once the weather is warm, but very much worth it. I love it there and I love being one of the only women in my class.
Now I am about 40 minutes from Bandimere in Denver. Problem is I am about 6'5 with a bum hip and leg. If I could still wrench I'd love to have a nice rod but then I'd have to try to fold myself inside without bending my left leg LOL!

 

[btldreef]

LOL, being 5'2" and only 120lbs makes me perfect for drag racing. Add that I'm a girl in a "man's world" makes it all the more fun.

 

[aquaknight]

I miss Orlando. Speedworld was a 7min drive from my house. Used to go quite frequently, loved the variety that would show up. Everything from Ferrari's and Vipers, diesel HD pickups, to a Cavalier putting up 17's in the quarter. Taking a pearl white Caddy was interesting the first time. Everyone thought it was fun and games till I put up a 14.5, running door-to-door with a 350z.

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354377
I guess I always thought I'd rather my rear end sliding all over the place, with my front end sticking, than my whole car sliding, because I lost traction on my front end. My rear end is just going to follow the front end.
Not exactly. When the front loses grip, the car just continues along it's path but going straight. You can get on the brakes and the car won't spin. However having the rear of your car start to spin out on the road is a very surreal experience. Not just pulling the handbrake in a parking lot, or doing dounts, but say doing 50mph on an exit ramp. There's no middle ground. Either the rear has enough grip to follow the front tires, or they don't and the car starts to spin. With the front end pushing, it's a stepped process, with lots of wiggle room if you happen to take a turn too fast. It's the sudden out of no where "my car's spinning" that gets most people.

 

[btldreef]

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354360
ACTUALLY.....

New tires on the rear is more of a safety recommendation for the general public. In a severe handling situation, with new tires on the back, the rear of the car is less likely to step up and spin, as mentioned above.
However if anyone's taken advanced/racing drivers courses, AND is comfortable handling their car beyond it's limits, put the new tires on the front, as they will wear faster. A FWD car is virtually impossible to spin out, unless the driver is untrained. I watched a driver in a brand-new Accord loop it, and stuff it into the guardrail, when they started to slide, because they did exactly what they weren't suppose to, jam on the brakes and yank the wheel. Having worn tires on the rear, is actually a way to free up a typically understeering FWD car.

This is completely dependent on whether the car is FWD, or not. A front wheel drive car on a drag strip with grippy tires in the front is asking for a snapped axle. Been there, it's not fun.

 

[stdreb27]

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires/20#post_3354903
I miss Orlando. Speedworld was a 7min drive from my house. Used to go quite frequently, loved the variety that would show up. Everything from Ferrari's and Vipers, diesel HD pickups, to a Cavalier putting up 17's in the quarter. Taking a pearl white Caddy was interesting the first time. Everyone thought it was fun and games till I put up a 14.5, running door-to-door with a 350z.

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354377
I guess I always thought I'd rather my rear end sliding all over the place, with my front end sticking, than my whole car sliding, because I lost traction on my front end. My rear end is just going to follow the front end.
Not exactly. When the front loses grip, the car just continues along it's path but going straight. You can get on the brakes and the car won't spin. However having the rear of your car start to spin out on the road is a very surreal experience. Not just pulling the handbrake in a parking lot, or doing dounts, but say doing 50mph on an exit ramp. There's no middle ground. Either the rear has enough grip to follow the front tires, or they don't and the car starts to spin. With the front end pushing, it's a stepped process, with lots of wiggle room if you happen to take a turn too fast. It's the sudden out of no where "my car's spinning" that gets most people.
well you explain it like that and it makes more sense.
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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires/20#post_3354906
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Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354360
ACTUALLY.....

New tires on the rear is more of a safety recommendation for the general public. In a severe handling situation, with new tires on the back, the rear of the car is less likely to step up and spin, as mentioned above.
However if anyone's taken advanced/racing drivers courses, AND is comfortable handling their car beyond it's limits, put the new tires on the front, as they will wear faster. A FWD car is virtually impossible to spin out, unless the driver is untrained. I watched a driver in a brand-new Accord loop it, and stuff it into the guardrail, when they started to slide, because they did exactly what they weren't suppose to, jam on the brakes and yank the wheel. Having worn tires on the rear, is actually a way to free up a typically understeering FWD car.

This is completely dependent on whether the car is FWD, or not. A front wheel drive car on a drag strip with grippy tires in the front is asking for a snapped axle. Been there, it's not fun.
But that is a completely different setup than something tuned to go around a corner.

 

[reefraff]

Unless you are driving on redneck slicks it isnt a huge deal anyway. I used to let the rear tires get down to nothing but we didn't get much rain in so cal, it was a short wheelbase car with a lot of parts in the back so there was weight over the rear wheels AND I am a good driver so it wasn't an issue. All those donuts I did in parking lots and wet grassy fields as a kid paid off LOL!

 

[blazehok68]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires/20#post_3354903
I miss Orlando. Speedworld was a 7min drive from my house. Used to go quite frequently, loved the variety that would show up. Everything from Ferrari's and Vipers, diesel HD pickups, to a Cavalier putting up 17's in the quarter. Taking a pearl white Caddy was interesting the first time. Everyone thought it was fun and games till I put up a 14.5, running door-to-door with a 350z.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/383359/changing-2-tires#post_3354377
I guess I always thought I'd rather my rear end sliding all over the place, with my front end sticking, than my whole car sliding, because I lost traction on my front end. My rear end is just going to follow the front end.
Not exactly. When the front loses grip, the car just continues along it's path but going straight. You can get on the brakes and the car won't spin. However having the rear of your car start to spin out on the road is a very surreal experience. Not just pulling the handbrake in a parking lot, or doing dounts, but say doing 50mph on an exit ramp. There's no middle ground. Either the rear has enough grip to follow the front tires, or they don't and the car starts to spin. With the front end pushing, it's a stepped process, with lots of wiggle room if you happen to take a turn too fast. It's the sudden out of no where "my car's spinning" that gets most people.
i sell tires for a living, and this is exactly correct. you want your new tires on the rear for braking traction and to prevent a tailspin while in wet conditions. what i tell my customers is the best way to think of it is you can control what is going on in front of you but you cant control what is going on in the back, thats why you want your best traction in the rear so it will foll what you are doing in the front.
i have also been on a wet track at a michelin training seminar to experience the difference between both situations. i would have never guessed it before i drove in it, but having new tires on the back is the best and SAFEST way to do it.