Chemicals????

newfish45

Member
I was just wondering if I should be adding any other chemicals to my 45 gal tank, here is what I have and what I add as of now. I also might be adding some LPS or a clam under 300w of VHO.
Chem:
Iodine
Microvert
Liquid Calcium
Strontium
Pro Buffer DKH
Essential Elements
Corals:

Bubble
Frogspawn
Sun coral
Chili
Yellow Leather
Toadstool
Green Ricordea
Sebae Anemone
star polp
Thanks,
Mark
 

petjunkie

Active Member
Iodine-no proof anything needs it, may shorten lifespans of anything that molts and is toxic if too much, must be tested for
Microvert- watered down nitrates
Calcium-fine if you need it, test and keep between 400-450 but you only have one lps so most of your corals aren't using it
Strontium-not sure what this does? Probably not neccessary at all and should be tested
Pro Buffer-same as calcium, fine if your alk is low but you shouldn't have to add very often, test to keep in optimal range
Essential elements- most likely overdosing everything that's already in your salt mix and contributing to algea growth
Like everyone else said, water changes done regularly with a good salt mix is all you really need, I add calcium once a month maybe if needed and buffer once every few months, my coral stocklist is fairly similar to yours, lps and softies.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
Iron is a critical requirement for algae including symbiotic zooanthelae. Low iron lowers the rate of photosynthesis. Most of the time, iron comes in food. Anemones, zooanthellae corals and other marine life need it. However when certain nuisance algae like diatoms are in mass amount, i can make it even greater even though it wasnt the one that caused it to start to begin with. Strontium goes hand in hand with calcium and is very important for stony corals and their growth. I add calcium, strontium& molybdenum, iron, and iodine, and sometimes magnesium a well as a calcium reactor and dose with kalkwasser and never a water change.... hasnt failed me or my customers....


 

kmsrn

Member
I'm a newbie and just starting out with corals (had fo for three years) so my response might seem ignorant, but wouldn't frequent water changes do the job just as well AND be cheaper?!
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
Originally Posted by kmsrn
I'm a newbie and just starting out with corals (had fo for three years) so my response might seem ignorant, but wouldn't frequent water changes do the job just as well AND be cheaper?!
Depends on how you look at it. Lets say he buys th 64 ounce of iron, iodine, calcium, and strontium. They all ask for (1) capfull (5 ml) per 50 gallon. He has a45 gallon. Well, there are 1,892 ml in 64 ounces and 378 (5 ml) so which means if he used that bottle just for his tank and doesnt overdose, he has 378 times to use it if he were to do it daily at the recommended dosage and 7 yrs if he were to dose weekly. So lets say he buys each of the four above elements at 35.00 each. That 140.00 plus tax for the year and then some. Now a bag of salt costs lets say 20.00 per bag for 55 gallons and he uses half a bag for each water change which he does once a month. So now, you take 20.00 X 6 months ( gets 2 months out of one bag) and you are at 140.00 plus tax. same price. only difference is that by just adding elements he didnt have to spend the time doing the water change, adding chemicals to remove impurities in the water . Not to mention that he also has to buy the amquel or whatever and depending on his dosage, he can make it last a lot longer than the bag of salt. His usage on salt doesnt also take into consideration that he might use some of his water to lets say sella frag to someone and add water to the bag for his coral, or the salt creep, or the saltwater that is lost due to his hand in his tank,and wiping his hands dry or a small spill....lots of variables
 

am00re34

Member
Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Depends on how you look at it. Lets say he buys th 64 ounce of iron, iodine, calcium, and strontium. They all ask for (1) capfull (5 ml) per 50 gallon. He has a45 gallon. Well, there are 1,892 ml in 64 ounces and 378 (5 ml) so which means if he used that bottle just for his tank and doesnt overdose, he has 378 times to use it if he were to do it daily at the recommended dosage and 7 yrs if he were to dose weekly. So lets say he buys each of the four above elements at 35.00 each. That 140.00 plus tax for the year and then some. Now a bag of salt costs lets say 20.00 per bag for 55 gallons and he uses half a bag for each water change which he does once a month. So now, you take 20.00 X 6 months ( gets 2 months out of one bag) and you are at 140.00 plus tax. same price. only difference is that by just adding elements he didnt have to spend the time doing the water change, adding chemicals to remove impurities in the water . Not to mention that he also has to buy the amquel or whatever and depending on his dosage, he can make it last a lot longer than the bag of salt. His usage on salt doesnt also take into consideration that he might use some of his water to lets say sella frag to someone and add water to the bag for his coral, or the salt creep, or the saltwater that is lost due to his hand in his tank,and wiping his hands dry or a small spill....lots of variables
that is very good insight, but i question if w/ chemicals you can stop water changes all together? maybe less frequently, but stop completly? I always think when i do a water change i'm taking out "crap" water and putting in "good" water.
To me it seems like if you never clean your carpet and just frebreeze it to make the smell go away.
I use chemicals to supplement calcium and iodine and thats only if they are low which they dont seem to be very often.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
If you have good current in your tank to keep items from sitting on the bottom (dead spots) , an adaquate protien skimmer along with a good filter, water changing becomes a thing of the past. Thats also taking into consideration that you dont overfeed and push your nitrates to a unsafe level. We also use dinitrifying units in which ethanol is dosed into the unit and flushed every 6 hours (times can vary). With the units you wil forever have ZERO nitrates no matter how much you feed.
 

mushroomss

Member
i think that statement isent even close to true ''with using chemicals,water changes become a thing of that past'' Its nice you think you can do things better then the ocean but it is simply not true.Even eric borneman one of the leading coral fraggers of our time says water changes are an essential part of a reef system.
 

am00re34

Member
so according to your theory, if your levels are all perfect why do a water change? I have often thought about that, but everyone always said water changes are cruicial so i always did them.
If i didnt use that ethonal method would you never do a water change unless your levels started to rise(mainly nitrates or ammonia?)
 

moneyman

Member
IMO, no water in any aquarium is perfect to NSW. All your 10 kits might say so, but have you tested for everything? sulfur? potasium?
Ie, if you're using a sulfur denitrator, you'll end up with too much sulfur in time. Those using ethenol to add Carbon source might end up with to little Potasium. Thus, water change resets everything.
 

kmsrn

Member
However you keep your tank(s), I have to say it is beautiful
! Thanks for the reply. (I was "raised" with water changes, so I'll probably stay with water changes)
 

azfishgal

Active Member
I for one won't argue with jonthefishguy for the simple fact that pictures of his tank say it all. But, every tank is different due to what's in it, how often a person feeds, water quality, salt that is used, there is just way to many variables to even list. So, do what works for your tank, test regulary and you should always have a healthy tank.

With that said I do a 10% water change every 10-14 days or so, and add Turbo Calcium and Superbuffer when needed.
 

am00re34

Member
i agree.... his tank is just beautiful so that speaks for itself. I guess i have just always been told water changes so thats what i do. I would love to not have to do water changes and the headaches that go along with it.
 

triga22

Active Member
Jonthefishguy. You need to add magnesium. Every other day. See when calcium is in the water by itself it bonds with carbonate. This isnt good. Magnesium will break the bonds so the corals can have the calcium. Good stuff.
 
Top