Cherrystone Clams In The Fuge w/ Miracle Mud?

reefkprz

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Originally Posted by renogaw
they are at least asthetically different. local grocery store sells both cherrystones and littlenecks. cherrystones are a dark brown, littlenecks are gray. not sure about climates or effectiveness though

thats just age, or shell composition due to mud content and diet.
 

reefkprz

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Quahog
By Eleanor Ely
The shellfish that Rhode Islanders call a quahog possesses an impressive variety of names, and even the word "quahog" (which comes from the Narragansett Indian name "poquauhock") has an alternate spelling, "quahaug," and a number of pronunciations: KO-hog, KWO-hog, and KWA-hog. The quahog's scientific name, Mercenaria mercenaria, is derived from a Latin word meaning "wages" and was chosen because Indians used quahog shells to make beads that were used as money (called wampum). In much of the United States, quahogs are simply called "hard clams" or "hard-shell clams."
Quahogs live buried just below the surface in the bottom sand or mud, with their two siphons sticking up into the water. Drawing by Steve Silvia.
Still other names are based on a quahog's size. Little necks (or "necks") are the smallest legal size, measuring 1 inch thick at the largest thickness; chowders are the largest size; and cherrystones are in between.
In Rhode Island, quahogs grow to legal size in 3 to 4 years if conditions are good. A quahog's age can be determined by counting the growth rings on its shell. As quahogs get older, they grow more slowly, so the growth rings get very close together and difficult to count accurately. Researchers estimate that the largest quahogs (4 inches or more in length) are as much as 40 years old.
Quahogs - like soft-shell clams, oysters, scallops, and mussels - are classified as bivalve mollusks because they have hinged shells made up of two halves, or "valves." Bivalves obtain their food by "filter feeding." Water is taken in through a siphon and passed over the gills, which are specially adapted to filter out food (microscopic algae and other small organic particles). The filtered water is then expelled via another siphon. A large clam can filter about a gallon of water in one hour.
Quahogs prefer salinities between 18 and 26 parts per thousand. This is less salty than the open ocean (salinity about 35 parts per thousand), so quahogs are often found in estuaries (like Narragansett Bay) where the mixing of fresh and salt water provides ideal conditions.
Although quahogs can be found along the North American Atlantic coast from Canada's Gulf of Saint Lawrence to Florida, they are particularly abundant between Cape Cod and New Jersey. Farther north, most waters are too cold for quahogs, restricting them to just a few relatively warm coves; while to the south, quahogs have more predators, such as blue crabs.
 

zman1

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The ones that died, was one at a time over the last month and a half. The latest one died yesterday. How long have you had yours? For me 50% isn't a good success rate even though they are $0.xx each. I expected a couple not make it, since being on ice and out of the water for ?, but it's a risk of not catching the dead one and rottening in the tank that concerns me. So far, I still see the syphon tubes (that's all) of the others still under the substrate. IME they have come out of the substrate and died by the next morning. I am worried about the one or two that may die and not come up first...
 

reefkprz

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one or two at a time over an extended period I would say they are probably starving from lack of particulate food in your water column. they dont actually consuime nitrates they consume the little chunks of floating organics that can cause them. if your skimmer is barely pulling stuff out, your water is probably too clean for them. just a guess, I got my first one about 8 months ago I think (dont quote me on that)
 

baloo6969

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LOL I know this sounds CRAZY, but I attached a "Flag" to the top of my clams...like a Flag on a fire hydrant in the snow (someone has to know what I mean) it was just a piece of plastic straw hot clued, but not "HOT"...to the top of my clams, and the first few days I saw where they were, and picked them out. Every few days, just to see if there alive...knock them together if you hear a hollow "Thud" there dead...the flags are still attached after a week.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
the high salinity most reef tanks are kept at could also be the culprit.
never thought about this... I wonder what the issue is going to be in the long run.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
they dont actually consuime nitrates they consume the little chunks of floating organics that can cause them.
See now, what made me think they did comsume NO3 and phytoplankton was this...
<Clams (especially large ones) are amazing consumers of nitrate and ammonia. In fact, clam farms drip ammonium nitrate into their grow out systems as clam food! Just don't try this at home!>
 

reefkprz

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Originally Posted by renogaw
never thought about this... I wonder what the issue is going to be in the long run.
I dont know but I really want to figure it out.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by baloo6969
Flag on a fire hydrant in the snow (someone has to know what I mean)
They did that when I lived in MN, but not an issue in St Louis - LOL.
 

reefkprz

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Originally Posted by zman1
See now, what made me think they did comsume NO3 and phytoplankton was this...
<Clams (especially large ones) are amazing consumers of nitrate and ammonia. In fact, clam farms drip ammonium nitrate into their grow out systems as clam food! Just don't try this at home!>
the ammonium nitrate helps grow the plankton, as it breaks down and to nitrite and nitrate the plankton consumes it to in turn be consumed by the clam, that statement though correct applies to giant clams, not quahogs. I can easily see how it got confusing. they do consume plankton and other free floating organics.
where did you find that quote? I would like to read the entire article.
 

reefkprz

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Originally Posted by zman1
Google "FAQs about Giant Clam Feeding"
Giant clams are Way different than quahogs.
 

reefkprz

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Giant clams do directly use ammonia and nitrate because their because their photosynthetic algae consumes it in a plant like manner, quahogs are not photosynthetic. I see where the confusion began now. A very easy mistake to make.
 

reefkprz

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though we have figured out one bit of confusion it doesnt explain how or why they are dying on you.
does your skimmer pull out a lot of gunk?
whats your SG usually?
do you ever feed planktonic foods?
I just need to know why they are dying this is going to bug me If I dont figure it out. you have my undivided attention for at least an hour.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
Giant clams do directly use ammonia and nitrate because their because their photosynthetic algae consumes it in a plant like manner, quahogs are not photosynthetic. I see where the confusion began now. A very easy mistake to make.
Ah.. that makes sense.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
does your skimmer pull out a lot of gunk? about a 1/2 gallon a week. total system water 200 gallons
whats your SG usually? 35ppm
do you ever feed planktonic foods? No, I had DTs phyto and stopped pretty early using (still have the bottle expired). Cyclopleze (sp) frozen and oyster eggs are the only small items I put in the system... Other than larger food for other fish (frozen formula two, Mysis, marine A pellet, green marine algae sheets) not all daily except Mysis and pellet.
See above
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by reefkprZ
though we have figured out one bit of confusion it doesnt explain how or why they are dying on you.
does your skimmer pull out a lot of gunk?
whats your SG usually?
do you ever feed planktonic foods?
I just need to know why they are dying this is going to bug me If I dont figure it out. you have my undivided attention for at least an hour.

when you're done researching this one, let me know what you think about Crepidula fornicata in our tanks :p
 
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