Choosing Big Business over the population

[darthtang aw]

So, Is delaying the employer mandate for healthcare a snub to the people since the President hasn't delayed the requirement that everyone obtain health insurance or be taxed? Has he chosen corporations and Big business over the people.....?

 

[reefraff]

2014 elections. There would be millions of newly created part time workers who used to be full time registering their displeasure at the ballot box next year if it went through.

 

[darthtang aw]

2014 elections. There would be millions of newly created part time workers who used to be full time registering their displeasure at the ballot box next year if it went through.
and there won't be millions irritated that they HAVE to buy insurance and the corporations and businesses get a pass?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395991/choosing-big-business-over-the-population#post_3527240
and there won't be millions irritated that they HAVE to buy insurance and the corporations and businesses get a pass?
When do you get hit with the penalty for not buying insurance??? When you file your taxes, in 2015, after the elections.

 

[2quills]

Seems like a serious slap in the face to peoples freedom of choice.
What exactly is the penalty again for not getting the insurance? This is very confusing to a lot of people including me.
You either take it or get taxed more money than the cost to get it, right? Are small businesses going to be forced to provide group plans for employees?
This seems like a double edge sword for the democratic voting pool. Even though it was a republican idea.
My guess is that many still won't take it and in the end they just won't be seeing the federal refunds that they were used to.

 

[darthtang aw]

When do you get hit with the penalty for not buying insurance??? When you file your taxes, in 2015, after the elections.
just before the 2016 presidential elections. Also I am surprised conservatives haven't started running with this for upcoming elections...there were house bills passed to delay the "tax" on citizens. it was argued that the citizens should be exempt if businesses are

 

[beaslbob]

Quote:Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395991/choosing-big-business-over-the-population#post_3527230
So, Is delaying the employer mandate for healthcare a snub to the people since the President hasn't delayed the requirement that everyone obtain health insurance or be taxed? Has he chosen corporations and Big business over the people.....?

FWIW if obamacare was the greatest thing since sliced bread, there would be no having to wait for anyone, no need for waivers and so on.
my .02

 

[2quills]

Guess I'm missing the whole point to the question of this topic at hand. From what I'm understanding (or not) is that by delaying the employer mandate that the individual mandate will not be enforceable since there is really know way of knowing who is in and who is out until the employer mandate kicks in?

 

[darthtang aw]

Guess I'm missing the whole point to the question of this topic at hand.  From what I'm understanding (or not) is that by delaying the employer mandate that the individual mandate will not be enforceable since there is really know way of knowing who is in and who is out until the employer mandate kicks in?
When you file your taxes you file your health insurance along with it. Which can be cross checked with the insurance company. The employer mandate postponement allows individuals to lie that their employor doesn't provide insurance making them "eligible" for the exchanges at a reduced cost.

 

[2quills]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395991/choosing-big-business-over-the-population#post_3527252
When you file your taxes you file your health insurance along with it. Which can be cross checked with the insurance company. The employer mandate postponement allows individuals to lie that their employor doesn't provide insurance making them "eligible" for the exchanges at a reduced cost.
In other words that's simply a way to entice more people into suckling on the governments teat with hand outs. A train wreck waiting to happen. And when conservatives do start running with this all the way to elections the democrats are going to say "look, they are trying to take away the free (not so much) lunch that we are giving you. The lunch that you deserve. You need to give us the power to fight them back so that you can continue to get more free stuff". Right?
Let's face it. Who is going to be the majority receiving the most subsidies? The lower income earners, the part timers, minorities? I like the idea of the safety net for folks who work and pay into it. But there is a fine line between safety net and coddling. Coddling will just create more dependents which makes it harder and harder for the average hard working American to make ends meet.
Am I wrong or just paranoid? Both, perhaps?

 

[bang guy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395991/choosing-big-business-over-the-population#post_3527230
So, Is delaying the employer mandate for healthcare a snub to the people since the President hasn't delayed the requirement that everyone obtain health insurance or be taxed? Has he chosen corporations and Big business over the people.....?
The President jumped in bed with Wall Street on day 1. He was never NOT pro big business.
If you watch his lips they will tell you how bad big business is but if you watch his hands you will see them carving up slices of the US to feed to big business.

 

[darthtang aw]

The President jumped in bed with Wall Street on day 1.  He was never NOT pro big business. 
If you watch his lips they will tell you how bad big business is but if you watch his hands you will see them carving up slices of the US to feed to big business.
Those of us that have been paying attention know this.

 

[2quills]

Not that it matters but it sounds like the main reason for delaying the employer mandate is because the system which is being set up to collect that information is taking too long to set up. I know this probably comes to shock to a lot of you out there since typically our government is thee model for efficiency.