Originally posted by Fishman830
I'm in CCD, some of you may or may not know what taht is, it's a course i have to take to maek my confermations, and i jsut took a test, and i thi nk i failed.. i don't see why i should have to take a test on somthing that is PURELY belief... if the bible proven true.. i think not.. i don't see how they can turn BELIEF into numbers and numbers to statistics.. it's just stupid
i should be able to progress thorugh my religeon.. that i don't believe in.. i don't believe there's a heaven or hell. i thin i should be able to make my confermation by just going to the classes which i don't wish to be a part of, if it were up to me.. i wouldn't go at all.. i believe that religeon is merely the answer unanswerable questions.. IE the universe creation... human beginnings..
Relax and step back for a moment. Do you realize what a confirmation of faith is? Is it not supposed to be where you confirm that you do believe in the Lord, place him as the one and only God in your heart, and accept that Jesus paid the price for your sins. Its not about accepting a specific church's doctrine. You can't have a confirmation or confession of faith if you don't believe without hardneing your heart towards the word.
Why would you desire to progress in a religion you don't believe in? Have you read the Bible? I strongly suggest you do. Imagine it as a jig saw puzzle. You can't see the whole picture when you're just looking at a piece here, a piece there, or what someone tells you a piece looks like. Try reading an NASB or NIV version, they are written in modern english.
Originally posted by Fishman830
I don't think i'm closed minded. I just feel that we created god.. that he is just a reasurrance.. an escape.. an answer to all unanswerables.. I don't think i'll be ocnvinced other wise, until the day science and religeon walk hand in hand. I think by being open minded i'm allowing the possible reasons for the actual formation of the universe and human life thought of.
I'm not here to annoy anyone.. or start anything thing with anyone. I'm just saying what i thin is true
If you question how the universe was formed. Look at physics. Einstein, Sagan, Hawkings have all devoted large portions of their lives studying why the laws of quantum and astro physics work... but don't work in unison. I doubt anyone would disagree that they're some of the largest names in that field. All of them believe the answer lies in understanding the big bang theory. All three of them after years of studying have confessed that the big bang is proof that the universe was created with "intent". Excluding the evolution vs. creation debate, nothing in science has proven the bible wrong. Recorded history of even secular nations, pagan tribes far away, etc... all support events outlined in the Bible.
So is it really true that science doesn't walk hand and hand with the Bible? Remember the Bible is not a book about science, but when it does speak scientifically, it is accurate. In fact, it was far ahead of any other writing of its time. Please consider the following.
The Spherical Shape of the Earth
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22, NIV).
The Earth is suspended in nothing
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job. 26:7, NIV).
The Stars are Innumerable
"He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Gen. 15:5, NIV).
The Existence of Valleys in the Seas
"The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Sam. 22:16, NIV).
The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11, NIV). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.
The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas
"O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8, NIV).
The Hydrologic Cycle
- "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job. 26:8, NIV).
- "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job. 36:27-28, NIV)
- "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, NIV).
The Concept of Entropy
"In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded" (Psalm 102:22-26, NIV).
