Cloudy Water-What To Do?

I'm setting up my first fish saltwater tank and when I put the substrate (crushed coral) in, it obviously got cloudy. Should I turn on the protein skimmer, powerheads, etc., or should I just let everything settle over the next few days?
thanks
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Let it settle, turning on filters/power heads may only chew up their motors with the stuff in the water column. If it is still cloudy after two days look into other reasons why (water quality, did you clean the subtrate prior to putting it in the tank).
 

sly

Active Member
If you want to keep crushed coral you need to keep it at most an inch deep. Don't go any deeper and you won't run into the majority of problems that people have had.
If your tank has settled for a few hours I would turn on your pumps and let it circulate. You skimmer will clear the water up as newly dissolved salt is always cloudy.
 
ok, thanks guys. I think I'm going to get rid of the crushed coral and get sand. I'm so happy that I found the message boards b/c my lfs just tries to sell me their new expensive thing every time I go there with a question. I could've saved so much money ($700 ish) if I built my tank using you guys as help.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
when you change to sand your still going to have a milky look to the water for a little while its just part of the tank keep you pumps and such running but the skimmer wont do anything yet so you can leave it off.
welcome to the board!!!
Mike
 

sly

Active Member
Here's my tank with crushed coral. I've been using it for 6 years and it works great for me.


Either way if you choose to go with sand then great but crushed coral works just as well if you set it up right. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. I like crushed coral because you can use more rigorous powerheads and keep the water clean. Sand likes to be blown around a lot. I am able to keep the water perfectly clear with crushed coral.... (and ozone)
 

sly

Active Member
This is a response to a PM asking how to keep crushed coral.
Crushed coral has its advantages over sand and its disadvantages. The main point is that you need to know the differences and set your tank up accordingly.
Live sand is better for some organisms. Sand sifting starfish, for example, will do much better in a deep sand bed than will crushed coral. However you also run the risk of it disturbing your sandbed too much, exposing crucial bacteria to oxygen and killing it. If enough bacteria gets exposed to oxygen you can have an unsafe nitrate spike.
I like crushed coral because you can still keep a majority of the organisms that people can keep with sand and you don't run the risk of a tank crash by overly disturbing your substrate. People complain of crushed coral being a nitrate factory. It is if you have it so deep that your hermit crabs and snails can't reach the junk that settles at the bottom of your tank.
Crushed coral is very coarse and because of this it does not house nitrate consuming bacteria very well. This, to me, is an advantage because the substrate in people's tanks can get disturbed very easily due to rocks shifting, tank inhabitants moving it and owners who need to move their tank. To me, letting your tank run off the bacteria in the sand bed is too much of a risk. Our tanks are not like the ocean. It's not like you can move a little sand around and crash the ocean... but you can your tank.
I prefer to let the filter system and live rock house the bacteria. It does not matter how much you move live rock, you will not kill the bacteria in it like you can with moving sand. If you want to use crushed coral you need to make sure you keep it shallow. Since it won't be housing nitrogen consuming bacteria you need to keep it shallow enough for your clean up crew to reach the dirt in your tank. Keep it too deep and you will have nitrate problems that everyone else complains about. I recommend a depth of no more than 1 inch. You want just enough to cover the bottom. By keeping it shallow you also reduce the risk of your rocks collapsing by sand sifting organisms burying underneath.
To me, crushed coral is easier to clean. You can vigorously vacuum the crushed coral and get it spotless while deep sand you can't because of the risk of killing your bacteria. Over time you can have lots of sludge build up at the bottom of a sandbed and if you don't have it set up right, it can build up dangerous hydrogen sulfide gas which is poisonous to your tank. If your sand gets disturbed, this hydrogen sulfide can be released and can harm your tank. This is a problem for people who keep their sandbed (and crushed coral) too deep. The beneficial bacteria grows in low oxygen zones... not oxygen free zones. If the substrate is too deep then you run the risk of hydrogen sulfide buildup due to oxygen not being present. That's why I prefer to just skip letting the substrate be my filter system and let the safer rocks and plants do it for me.
To keep crushed coral:
  • No deeper than 1 inch
  • Get lots of live rock to consume nitrate
  • Recommend a refugium with live plants which also remove nitrate (and won't crash)
    Get a good clean up crew (snails, crabs, urchins)
    Use plenty of powerheads to keep the water moving. Will tolerate higher flows than sand without clouding up the water.
    If it ever gets dirty, stir it up so that the dirt can get sucked into your filter system and emptied out with your skimmer. Run a prefilter in your system to catch waterborne dirt and rinse it out as needed.
Since I've had my tank I've had to move it 3 times. At no time did I have a nitrate spike. I simply packed up the tank and put the inhabitants into buckets and then set it back up in its new location the following day. Since I didn't rely on my substrate for filtering my water (I have live plants and rocks instead), I didn't run the risk of crashing my tank by moving my substrate around. My tank was set up and running as good as ever with no nitrate spike or cycle whatsoever. If I had a deep sand bed this would have been a different story in that I would have had to wait a month for the bacteria to recolonize enough to support the inhabitants in my tank, stressing them while they waited in quarantine.
Back to your original question, in a new tank particles will remain suspended until you starting building up organic waste in your water column. The particles get weighed down as your tank matures due to organic sludge sticking to them. Over time it will clear on its own. I would recommend letting your tank cycle for a few days and then turn your skimmer on. It will really clear up the water. If water clarity is very important to you, you can get the water so clear that you almost can't see it if you use ozone. I feed ozone into my skimmer with an airpump and I regulate it with an ORP controller. The water is so clear that sometimes the fish look like they are floating in nothing.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Sly's comments were great. I've used CC in the past and think the most important point in his post is to vacuum. Regularlly and thouroughly. Do 1/3 of the tank with each water change.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Crushed Coral actually has very few benefits.
Think about the beach for a second.... You can have a very strong current in a tank with a sand bed. Simply have the water wash straight across the sandbed and not down into it.
Aragonite sand provides better habitat, better buffering, and the potential for a lot more biological diversity without needing to be vacuumed. Further, unless you have very little live rock few hobbyists are ever going to be able to keep all of the CC vacuumed.
Do a search for the word "Nitrate" on the forums. You'll quickly find there is a common denominator with CC, established tanks, and constant Nitrate issues.
Not saying every tank deals with this, but many do.
 

dse

Member
hi.
2 years ago i used live sand.
it's nice to look at i suppose imo.
but i now use 1mm crushed coral.
and it's much better suited for my style of tank.
every tank is different and some can't handle other gravel's
my 1mm cc is a beut to look at and is only slightly bigger then sand.
to clean mine all i do is i gently rub my hand into it to clean it and to mix it up.
like it would in the ocean.
i like to kep my tank 100% clean i hate seeing dirty tanks so i do my best to maintain it everyday.
if you have that time on your hands use CC.
if not do sand.
but i vote CC as it's the underdog and it makes the tank look better and feel natural! lol
a lot of people wont agree with me but hay this is my opinoin.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
I agree with much of what you say; It's your tank.
CC is not more natural, however. We definitely will disagree on that.
 

srfisher17

Active Member
Originally Posted by srfisher17
http:///forum/post/2565240
Sly's comments were great. I've used CC in the past and think the most important point in his post is to vacuum. Regularlly and thouroughly. Do 1/3 of the tank with each water change.
In re-reading this earlier post of mine, it may sound like I'm suggesting using CC. I'm not and I no longer use it for the reasons mentioned above. When I did have it, I didn't have the amount of LR that couldn't be moved in order to vacuum. I do know a couple of folks who do use CC and are very happy with it; but it still takes the regular vacuuming to keep gunk to a minimum.
 
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