Clown dead - Agian! Please Help

rykna

Active Member
That does make a difference.
Sounds like internal parasites. :thinking:
I did find this web site though that has lost of neat facts
This is about the purple sea urchin
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The purple sea urchin (Strongylocentrotus purpuratus) is a small sea urchin. It is a spiny, hard-shelled animal that lives on the rocky seafloor, from shallow waters to great depths. It is found off the west coast of North America, in the Pacific Ocean, from Canada to the Baja peninsula. It lives from the intertidal zone down to depths of about 33 feet (10 m). These globular marine invertebrates move very slowly along the seabed.
Adult Anatomy: The purple sea urchin averages about 3 1/4 inches (8.5 cm) across; the spines are about 1/3 inch (1 cm) long. This bottom-dweller ranges from a light purple to a deep reddish-purple color (juveniles are green).
Adult sea urchins have five-sided radial symmetry. Their skin has hard, chalky plates, and is called the test. Sea urchins have a globular body and long spines that radiate from the body. The spines are used for protection, for moving,and for trapping drifting algae to eat. Among the spines are five paired rows of tiny tube feet with suckers that help with locomotion, capturing food, and holding onto the seafloor. Tiny pedicellarines are small stinging structures that are used for defense and for obtaining food. Like all echinoderms, sea urchins do not have a brain. The mouth is claw-like and is located on the underside; it has 5 tooth-like plates that point inwards and are called Aristotle's lantern. The anus and the genital pores are on the top of the sea urchin.
Diet: Sea urchins eat plant and animal matter, including kelp, decaying matter, algae, dead fish, sponges, mussels, and barnacles.
Predators of Sea Urchins: Sea urchins are eaten by crabs, sunflower stars, snails, sea otters, some birds, fish, and people.
Reproduction: Fertilization is external. Female Sea Urchins release several million tiny, jelly-coated eggs at a time. Eggs or sperm are released through five gonopores. As they develop, the tiny larvae (called the pluteus, which have bi-lateral symmetry) swim in the sea and are a component of zooplankton. It takes several months for juvenile sea urchins to form. The time from fertilization to a reproductive adult is from 2 to 5 years.
Classification: Kingdom Animalia (animals), Phylum Echinodermata (echinoderms), Class Echinoidea (Sea Urchins), Order Echinoida, Family Strongylocentrotidae, Genus Strongylocentrotus, Species S. purpuratus (it was named by Stimpson in 1857).
 

paulcoates

Member
Originally Posted by SusiesTank
Ya thats why I didnt think it would be stray voltage - since I am sure they have a heart and blood flow - but im not sure. This is just so fustrating.
Okay now here is another question. I dont know if this helps any. When my tank crashed after a year and a half because the circuit breaker went out - when I found the fish dead the first time he had all his color. With there two last deaths my fish were whiteish when I found them dead. I dont know if this makes any difference - but figured i'd throw it out there. Urgh!!!!!!!!

No chance the fish didn't get caught in the powerhead? I have had a clown get sucked into the impeller and when I found him he was whitish. Are your powerheads intakes covered over?
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by paulcoates
No chance the fish didn't get caught in the powerhead? I have had a clown get sucked into the impeller and when I found him he was whitish. Are your powerheads intakes covered over?
Nah, No chance - They are covered and the fish was completly in-tack when I found him.
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by Rykna
That does make a difference.
Sounds like internal parasites. :thinking:
Thats what I thought about the first one when he died about a month after we got him. But this is the second one - he lasted about 2 weeks. It just seems very weird that both would be from that - and tehy are from 2 different stores.
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by Rykna
I assume you treated your tank with meds to kill any possible intruders..Yes?

What do you mean? What kind of intruders and what kind of meds?
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by Rykna
Treating for internal parisites
Well now there are no fish.. should I be treating the water? What types of meds? and can they be used with corals and inverts in the tank?
 

rykna

Active Member
I was just searching on ***********.com, saltwaterfish should have some stuff too. It's easy to treat fish, but difficult to treat tanks with coral in them. Look for meds that say reef or inverbrate safe.
 

miamireefr

Member
I say get a crappy fish.. I know you might hate to hear like a green chromis... there cheap and peaceful as opposed to getting a damsel... monitor them see what is going on .....Maybe a bristle work who is slightly aggressive in the tank? brooklynella? Maybe you might have bad luck with your lfs's. I might be a bit unorthodox but if the same fish keeps dying try another..... for testing purposes...will cost you at most 4 dollars for one and it won't harass the rest of your tankmates if you decide to keep him and it survives. Whether it sounds kosher to you or not that is simply my approach....
Don't think so deep into it..basically you are mind f-ing yuourselves.
 

rykna

Active Member
I agree with miami. Keep a close eye on the test fish. See what happens. How longs was the new clown fish in your tank before it died?
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by Rykna
I agree with miami. Keep a close eye on the test fish. See what happens. How longs was the new clown fish in your tank before it died?

First one a month the second 2 weeks.
 

rykna

Active Member
Then I would do the test over that time. I would also treat the tank for internal parisites if you could fine some meds that didn't hurt coral. Good luck! Keep us posted
 

nanoman94

New Member
Are there meds you can just dump in the water as long as they dont hurt corals or other inverts? I have no idea as to what is going on. Everything it could be, there is a good reason why it isn't.
 

miamireefr

Member
Me personally unless you have a grip on what is exactly happening I wouldn't just go throwing meds at random.... Imagine the effects it can have on the rest of the tank none the less possibly affect ph levels, alk, etc.... I rather take a test fish and observe before you dump a bunch of meds... mind you I am really not an expert but taking a common sense approach... mixing chemicals in this hobby can lead to even bigger problems. Good luck Susie. But spend 4 bucks and observe imo before you waste alot more on meds which can hurt you more than help.
Nick
 

susiestank

Member
Originally Posted by MiamiReefr
Me personally unless you have a grip on what is exactly happening I wouldn't just go throwing meds at random.... Imagine the effects it can have on the rest of the tank none the less possibly affect ph levels, alk, etc.... I rather take a test fish and observe before you dump a bunch of meds... mind you I am really not an expert but taking a common sense approach... mixing chemicals in this hobby can lead to even bigger problems. Good luck Susie. But spend 4 bucks and observe imo before you waste alot more on meds which can hurt you more than help.
Nick

I agree with the test fish but heres the problem. Obviously when I got the second clown , i was observing it very closley - since the first one just dropped dead. I was constantly looking at the fish. I went to school that day - check before I left looked great swimming eating no signs of anything , I get home later that day - boom dead. Im worried that if I get a test fish once agian something will happen and I wont see it. Am I supposed to quit working and classes to look at a fish haha? Video camera? lol I dont know. Yes I am leary of meds - especially since most are not reef safe.
 

reefiness

Active Member
listen for clicks coming from your tank. because the only logical explanation that i can see is predatation, so i would expect a mantis shrimp.
 

gatorcsm

Member
I would post about this in the disease forum. Someone there might be able to give better advice on if treatment is needed if there are no fish in the aquarium, and whether or not something else in the tank could host a parasite.
 
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