Compatibility Question? Dwarf Angels

[mony97]

Could a Potters Angel and a Flameback Angel get along in a 65g FOWLR, or would this be a bad idea right off the bat?
I should know this and have done some research but have come up with mixed results. One book said fight till the death between the Flameback and any other dwarf, and some other sites have said can work with caution? So I wanted some input from you all to see if I cant get this figured out?
Thank You

 

[srfisher17]

IMO&IME: two dwarf angels (in a smaller tank especially); two dwarf Angels will lead to a major war. Centropyge genus angels become very territorial and feisty when established.

 

[aquaknight]

Flamebacks, like most of the smaller dwarf angels species are usually quite feisty. Your odds are slightly better with the Potter's being established, but I still would say it isn't better then a 50/50. Something like a BiColor or Half Black would have better odds with the Potters, but they are considerably usually less reef safe.

 

[acrylic51]

I'd be against the flame and potters in a tank that size. Maybe a coral beauty or bicolor as mentioned.

 

[flower]

SWF.com will not even sell you two dwarf angels at one time unless they call first and make sure they won’t be going into the same tank....they can't be together, no they are not compatible. ONE per tank only.
In a very large tank you might be able to get away with two…but certainly not in a 65g.

 

[acrylic51]

Where did he mention he was buying from here? Honestly though wouldn't do it in a 65.

 

[mony97]

Got it, this is what I thought so no real disappointment jw bc my LFS has one in that is very cool and very healthy looking. So just thought I would double check..
Thanks for the honesty guys
Also just out of curiosity why is it that a bi color of half black would work and not the flameback?

 

[acrylic51]

I was referring to the BiColor half blue half yellow. The couple I have owned have always been peaceful and coul care less as long as they had green star polyps. Yep everyone of mine has a taste for them. Flames to me seem to be alittle more aggressive than a coral beauty, potter IMO.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by mony97
http:///forum/post/3270951
Also just out of curiosity why is it that a bi color of half black would work and not the flameback?
Personalities traits of fish. Within the Centropyges genus of angelfish, there are what they call "complexs." For example the Lemonpeel complex includes the Lemonpeel angel, the Eibli angel, and the Half Black angel. That is why you commonly see "hybrids" from these angels, as they are so close.
The flameback is in the "Pygmy" complex. The true Pygmy, C. argi, the Fisheri angel, the White tailled pygmy (C. flavicauda), and both species of flameback (the Brazilian C. acanthops and the African C. aurantonotus). All of these 'pygmy' angels are usually very aggressive to other angels. I had a Whitetailled with a huge Half Black angel (over 4.5") in a 90gal and the little pygmy constantly hounded the Half Black, eventually causing him to jump

What makes the BiColor mentioned often, is they are one of the more 'unusual' Centropyges. If it were up to me, they would be in a different genus. They are 3rd largest Centropyge (behind the Keyhole and Interruptus) and are shaped unlikely any other Centropyge. They more in common with large angels, then other dwarfs IMO. They are pretty laid back and are pretty commonly housed in multi-angel aquariums. It's just they are usually one of the more 'un-reef safe' dwarf angels.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
http:///forum/post/3270983
I was referring to the BiColor half blue half yellow. The couple I have owned have always been peaceful and coul care less as long as they had green star polyps. Yep everyone of mine has a taste for them. Flames to me seem to be alittle more aggressive than a coral beauty, potter IMO.
Wrong 'flame' dude... OP is talking about C. acanthops or C. aurantonotus Flamebacks, not Flames C. loricula

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Mony, which was it, the African or Brazilian?

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
http:///forum/post/3270950
Where did he mention he was buying from here? Honestly though wouldn't do it in a 65.

SWF.com guarantees their critters for 15 days. So they won’t sell two angels to go into the same tank, they would lose money. So even if OP was not going to purchase from this site, is a good thing to question why SWF won’t sell two for the same tank.
I used them as quick reference. My books say 1 per tank of any size. I know some folks with really big tanks do keep more than one. A 65g is not in that category.
I know you agreed with me, but I wanted to explain why I mentioned SWF.com

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3271011
SWF.com guarantees their critters for 15 days. So they won’t sell two angels to go into the same tank, they would lose money. So even if OP was not going to purchase from this site, is a good thing to question why SWF won’t sell two for the same tank.
I used them as quick reference. My books say 1 per tank of any size. I know some folks with really big tanks do keep more than one. A 65g is not in that category.
I know you agreed with me, but I wanted to explain why I mentioned SWF.com
Scott has talked about this before. The reason SWF has that rule in place, is so some jagoff doesn't put an Emperor Angel in with a Queen Angel in a 55gal. Not because someone wants to mix Centropyges in their 120gal. To be honest most literature on mixing angels and multi-angel aquariums is very antiquated. Only in the few years has this trend become popular, but more so successful.
I will say trying to mixing 2 different species of most Centropyges in a 65gal isn't a good idea for most people. There are a number of species that would pair nicely in a 65gal. The main problem is there has to be a Plan B. And unfortunately for many online customers, there isn't. These fish are still angels, and there will always be a risk.

 

[srfisher17]

IMO & IME:Tank size is is always a factor when mixing any Angel species. There is also a lot of learning through trial and error, common sense, knowing individual species quirks, tankmates, etc. There just isn't a "one size fits all" answer to this and I think this site does the right thing. There are way too many "ifs' to put into a one paragraph description. I like the Op's approach; read, ask and listen. So often, folks will start a thread by saying "Has anyone ever kept a whatever with a whatever" and someone will always give them the answer they want. Someone, somewhere has done everything in this hobby with some success; but that doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[mony97]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
http:///forum/post/3270983
I was referring to the BiColor half blue half yellow. The couple I have owned have always been peaceful and coul care less as long as they had green star polyps. Yep everyone of mine has a taste for them. Flames to me seem to be alittle more aggressive than a coral beauty, potter IMO.
My bad that of was supposed to be an or
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3270987
.Mony, which was it, the African or Brazilian?
African

haha very very cool looking fish
Thanks again for all the posts everyone this thread became quite interesting for me I had no idea the different "quarks" of species even existed, great to know and fun knowledge to have gained..

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by mony97
http:///forum/post/3271309
African

haha very very cool looking fish
Thanks again for all the posts everyone this thread became quite interesting for me I had no idea the different "quarks" of species even existed, great to know and fun knowledge to have gained..
Dang.... Africans are the ones to get as well. Very vivid orange on their backs. You sure there's no other tank for him?

NP on the info. Angels are always worthy of conversion

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[acrylic51]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3271011

SWF.com guarantees their critters for 15 days. So they won’t sell two angels to go into the same tank, they would lose money. So even if OP was not going to purchase from this site, is a good thing to question why SWF won’t sell two for the same tank.
That might be their policy, but that doesn't make it gospel. As stated alot depends on what your mixing and tank size, so IMHO that should be up to the "potential" buyer. I do fully understand that there are "people" who would try to rake them over, but common sense should come into play.

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by acrylic51
http:///forum/post/3271350
That might be their policy, but that doesn't make it gospel. As stated alot depends on what your mixing and tank size, so IMHO that should be up to the "potential" buyer. I do fully understand that there are "people" who would try to rake them over, but common sense should come into play.

In a 65g...only one angelfish per that size tank.

 

[mony97]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3271334
Dang.... Africans are the ones to get as well. Very vivid orange on their backs. You sure there's no other tank for him?

NP on the info. Angels are always worthy of conversion

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I know and it was a beauty

and yes they are definitly worth the talks, they might be the reason I upgrade.. the thinking has started.. Oh the things I could do with a 120. They have a really nice one of those at my LFS but it costs a little more than the flameback haha