Compatibility Question

marinerock

Member
HI ALL....
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A BLONDE NASO TANG TO MY TANK....
IN YOUR OPINION, IS IS SAFE TO PUT A BLONDE NASO TANG
IN WITH A YELLOW TANG, HAWAIIAN NASO TANG AND A
QUEEN ANGEL THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE TANK...TANK IS LARGE ENOUGH(125)... JUST WONDERING ON THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS NEW ADDITION POSSIBLY TO BE....
THANKS...
REGARDS....
MARINEROCK
 

ophiura

Active Member
Oops, just saw the tank size so changed my post. No, I do not think that would be a good plan. The one Naso will be cramped in there already. They get really huge.
 
well i have a naso, purple, and a yellow in the same tank and they seem to be doing fine. Ur tank seems a little bit full, you might want to stop...
 

moorishidol

New Member
I have a large naso tang, large yellow tang, large hippo blue tang, med pecular clown, imperator angelfish in the 125 gallon I own. I have never had a problem. They feed together and chase eachother around but dont harm eachother. I would say its perfectly fine. I have a queen on order. I would just make sure the fish are all about the same size.
 

ophiura

Active Member
MoorishIdol,
With all due respect, unless you have a very large tank being built, you are in for major trouble down the road. How long have you had all of those fish in there?
 

swilbs83

Member
I agree with oph..........you have a queen angel on order? your system isn't large enough to have 2 large angels...they will kill eachother........naso's get too large for a 125........
 

a_fender69

Member
The problem does not lie in the size of tank that you have, the reason you cant add a blonde naso to your tank is because you already have a Naso. The two will fight till the death, most likly the bigger one surviving the fight but might night survive the aftermath.
Even though you have a lot bioload on you tank already, don't freak out because so many have said a "disaster waiting to happen".
If you have great filtration that can handle an increase in the bio-load, along with a stable environment, your tank will be fine. This is not to say that you have an overcrowed tank. Think about upgradding tank size before filtration.
 

swilbs83

Member
I don't agree with that....1 naso tang gets too large for a 125 gallon tank by itself...it may last a while, but lets face it, this fish can grow to 20inches...not to mention he has a queen angelfish that grows to 18 inches.....It makes me so mad when people say cramming fish into a tank is fine....
 

swilbs83

Member
also the "disaster waiting to happen" posts were directed to moorishidol who has a hippo tang, yellow tang, naso tang, maroon clown, emperor angel in his tank (with a queen angel on the way)........
 

ophiura

Active Member
I don't know, IMO, both are a disaster waiting to happen. Adding another naso with the naso is a disaster waiting to happen. Keeping one naso with a yellow and a queen angel (and probably something else), is a disaster waiting to happen. A 125 is a pretty small tank considering the fish in question.
Yes, personality and size are a primary concern. The bio-overload will be an eventual problem. But those fish are just not going to like each other down the road.
I don't know how old MARINEROCK's tank is. I think moorishIdol said his tank was 6 months old (in another thread). Actually that bioload issue and overwhelming the filter, etc, might be a problem sooner than I thought.
IMO, dealing with multiple large angels and large tangs in tanks in the 100g range? Disaster waiting to happen. In every case.
 

marinerock

Member
HI ALL....
THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLIES TO MY QUESTION.....IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED.....
GUESS I WONT BE GETTING THAT BLONDE NASO....
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 

moorishidol

New Member
I dont know when I ever said I was getting a Blonde Naso. I am not a beginner and I know they would kill each other. I learned this a long time ago with the yellow tangs. To answer some of the questions that were directed towards me: Ive had the tank up and running for a year. I have had the clownfish for about a year, Ive had the hippo about 10 months. The yellow one I had when I bought the clown so about a year for him too. The Naso and the Imperator are my newest additions. Ive had them about 4 months. All seem well. My water quality is excellent. I bought a UV which is making the water better. I have dual overflows and a 40 gallon sump. I have a 220 gallon tall tank that I use to have sharks in. my kids kept bothering them so I did away with them. that tank is open in case I need the room. How come it is that so many people automatically assume something is going to fail?Why not discover the details before you assume that this guy is " a disaster waiting to happen"? Ive done alot of research and alot of hands on to get where I am with the tanks I got. Im sorry if it makes people made to think that my tank is crammed and I in no way would keep them that way if I thought it was unbearable for my fish. I have a 90 gallon tank that I am thinking I could possible start my Queen in. I will post pics as soon as I can get them to download. Anybody know anything about Sony Cybershot digital cameras?
 

swilbs83

Member
moorish first of all, a UV skimmer doesn't help with water quality, it kills free floating parasites.....you told the person who asked that it would be fine to add another naso to his tank, which is bad advice....they will kill eachother.........you are putting 2 angelfish in a 125gallon tank...they also will kill eachother..........I don't think anyone was talking about your water quality as in nitrates, etc........They were referring to your very overstocked tank, which definitely is a disaster waiting to happen..........all the filtration in the world isn't going to stop those fish from growing and becoming agitated in such a small space.......be prepared for major fights in your tank
 

marinerock

Member
HI ALL.....
I DONT KNOW WHY EVERYONE IS THROWING STONES AT
MOORISH....HE JUST GAVE ME HIS OPINION ON MY QUESTION...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT...HE IS ONLY TRYING
TO HELP OUT JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD...
PLEASE, GIVE THE GUY A BREAK....I HAVE A 125 AND THE FISH
IN THERE ARE BASICALLY SMALL AND EVERYONE GETS ALONG
FINE....WHEN THEY GET BIGGER ...ALTERNATIVE ARRANGEMENTS
WILL BE MADE FOR THEM...NO PROBLEM....I WOULD NEVER
CROWD A TANK NEITHER...
I DO THANK EVERYONE AGAIN FOR THEIR INPUT...AND
MOORISH....IM SORRY FOR THE HEAT YOU TOOK IN TRYING TO
HELP ME OUT WITH YOUR ADVISE...THANKS...
REGARDS...
MARINEROCK
 

ophiura

Active Member

Originally posted by moorishIdol
I have a large naso tang, large yellow tang, large hippo blue tang, med pecular clown, imperator angelfish in the 125 gallon I own. I have never had a problem. They feed together and chase eachother around but dont harm eachother. I would say its perfectly fine. I have a queen on order. I would just make sure the fish are all about the same size.

The replies were based on this. No assumptions need to be made. Filtration and other gadgets are irrelevant in this case.
But I found your post in another thread (my emphasis):
I have a all glass 125 gallon with the predrilled and the bulit in dual overflows( i would never go without these again) and I had that thing running with no fish for 1 month. I added 50 lbs of live rock every 3 months so I now have 110 lbs. I have 100 lbs of live sand. I have a protein skimmer and a UV and I still only add 1 fish a month. I have had my tank running for 6 months and my fish look awsome.
I was exactly like you where I couldnt wait to set up the tank with all the fish so people could be impressed but I waited and now its impressive to them and to me. ITS WORTH THE WAIT!
I agree things are worth the wait. Here it says the 125 has been up 6 months. A lot of fish for a 6 month old tank. Is "impressive" all it needs to be? So many people used to come into our store any buy fish "for the big party." They were turned away, but I know they went and bought the guests somewhere else.
I know you weren't getting a blonde naso , but you said it was perfectly fine for MARINERULES to do so. A lot of research would tell you that two Naso tangs in a 125g would not be good. 1 naso in a 125 is not good. But that is another issue.
It is nice they are small now, but not forever.
And your oldest fish, the hippo, yellow and clownfish are the least of the worries here. I think you might be able to get away with those without too much trouble (different body shape, etc), though they will need the 220 as well, to be really impressive. An adult hippo really is.
But the others are more problematic, especially as adults:
1 naso = 20"
1 yellow tang = 8"
1 hippo tang = 12"
1 clown = 3"
1 imperator angel = 16"
1 queen angel on the way = 18"
I would get that 220 up and running. There is no "in case you need the room." You need the room. Now.
Can I ask what references you found that said all of these fish would be fine in a 125? And a 125 with a 100+ pounds of LR is no 125. So really, it is all these fish in about 100g. The research I have done would indicate that is not a good mix in this size tank, if ever.
Besides. Fish can't read, and I can't read the minds of fish. ;) You can do all the research you want, but all those fish know is that they don't like each other, and there is no more room. The only alternative is to make it by killing each other.
And I suspect they will, eventually. Juvenile fish are often very tolerant....a safety in number issue. Many school. This is probably why they are tolerant now. However, adult fish grow more confident, aggressive, and territorial. Tangs and large angels are notorious for this. Beautiful and downright nasty. It won't be an impressive thing then.
I hope you reconsider your stocking, though I would be happy to see references you found in your research. As always, I am open to productive exchanges. :cool: And as I said, this has nothing to do with filtration. I will assume you have enough to handle that, and I am not expert on it anyway. I'll leave that to the others if there are any questions.
I am interested in biology- behavior, etc. which we have far less control over than we would like, but it is also far more interesting, at least to me. :D
 

moorishidol

New Member
Thank you Marine rock- Just offering my opinion. To all the others who replied:I understand now and it was my bad for telling him he could put two naso together. I read it wrong. He listed the yellow tang and the Hawaiian naso tang together so I thought it read as a yellow hawaiian tang. Sorry. My 220 gallon tank is still running. I just have nothing but rock in it. I understand how big my fish will get and arrangements were already set forth.My 220 is down in my basement/family room and my 125 is upstairs in my walkway.I have the really beautiful fish up there for show. I hold alot of meetings in my home and its a good ice-breaker. What I was telling the guy from the excerpt was that it was not a good idea to add so many things to a tank at one time just to satisfy guests. I was telling him to slow down and take it a step at a time. My tank was running for a while before I added anything. I said 6 months as just a figure so he could just understand. Ive had my tank running since March so really a little under a year. I added crushed coral first, I added 80lbs live sand and circ a little under a month and then added my rock and fish. One approx a month. I had a 90 gallon and a 50 gallon before that.gave the 50 to a friend and I still have the 90 gallon running. I transfered the yellow tang and two clowns over to the 125 . I had my 220 set for about a year and a half and its still running but nothing in it but some snails I just threw in. Uv sterilizers kill bacteria yes,I guess that is the main purpose but, since adding the UV my algae has stopped tremendously and the tank looks clearer and overall better.Did it effect my water quality? maybe, maybe not, but my fish are untainted by ich or anything and makes the aquarium look "awsome". My tangs are about 8 inches for the hippo, naso is about the same slightly bigger, clown is medium but still small(3inch), yellow tang is about 4-5 inches and my imperator is about the same as my yellow maybe 6 inches. Looks pretty cool in there together. they hardly ever go over to the right side of the tank. they just swim against the current or hide in the rocks and of course eat. Thank you for your replys, I dont take them bad in any way its just whatever works for me is what works for me just like what works in your tank is what works best for you. I would never purposely over crowd the tank especially when I have ample room in the others and to put this to rest I will add my Queen to my 90 gallon upstairs while its just a juvinile. People I think just need to find out more about the fish and about the fish keeper before drawing bad conclusions. And just like OPHIURA says Live, learn, share and listen. Thanks, I am flying to Hawaii on business this Friday and get to swim with the fishes so if you have any questions, concerns or ideas on ways to improve anything fish related just e-mail me and I will get back to you as soon as I can. Mooreimports@aol.com
 

ophiura

Active Member
I've got to give you credit. I don't think I would have a 220g sitting empty except for a bunch of snails. Bet those are some happy snails! :D
 
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