Completely frustrated!
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speg
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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3263791
I started over 20 tanks in the past few years. I start with tap. 2 states... 3 different municipalities. Now I have Los Angeles water which has a TDS of a kazillion. I wouldn't attribute fish deaths to tap if the water is conditioned.
How would one know their fish was killed by tap water? That's generally speculation, not a fact.
I don't drip fish that has been in a shipping back over night.
Mmmm it's not speculation if the company's water is getting humans sick and has required several 'boil water alerts'. Pipes break... a lot.. get R/O water and don't cut corners on something expensive like this.
Can YOU taste the difference between your tap water and R/O water??? I wonder why that is.... I wonder if fish tell the difference....
and... if your fish have waited over night.. may as well wait through the drip method to give it every chance of staying alive.
http:///forum/post/3263791
I started over 20 tanks in the past few years. I start with tap. 2 states... 3 different municipalities. Now I have Los Angeles water which has a TDS of a kazillion. I wouldn't attribute fish deaths to tap if the water is conditioned.
How would one know their fish was killed by tap water? That's generally speculation, not a fact.
I don't drip fish that has been in a shipping back over night.
Mmmm it's not speculation if the company's water is getting humans sick and has required several 'boil water alerts'. Pipes break... a lot.. get R/O water and don't cut corners on something expensive like this.
Can YOU taste the difference between your tap water and R/O water??? I wonder why that is.... I wonder if fish tell the difference....
and... if your fish have waited over night.. may as well wait through the drip method to give it every chance of staying alive.
cranberry
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Originally Posted by Speg
http:///forum/post/3263876
Mmmm it's not speculation if the company's water is getting humans sick and has required several 'boil water alerts'. Pipes break... a lot.. get R/O water and don't cut corners on something expensive like this.
Can YOU taste the difference between your tap water and R/O water??? I wonder why that is.... I wonder if fish tell the difference....
and... if your fish have waited over night.. may as well wait through the drip method to give it every chance of staying alive.
I said generally, as in most cases. There are of course instances when one would know that for sure, as in your instance Speg, but this will not apply to all or even most instances.
As far as the ammonia. It isn't toxic to the fish until the bag is opened. Ammonia just isn't toxic when in a suppressed pH environment... such are our shipping bags. Once the bag is opened, the CO2 is released and the pH jumps up. As this pH jumps, the once non-toxic ammonia now becomes a concern. Also, bags tend to arrive colder than our average tank (tend to... not always). As we increase the temperature we are again increasing the toxicity of the ammonia. Not to the same affect as the influence of pH, but it affects it all the same. So fish really are not in toxic ammonia until you open up that bag. So my fish are never exposed to the ammonia or have very little exposure at worse. Sub-lethal ammonia exposures or short term lethal ammonia exposures don't necessarily kill your fish, but can have lifetime affects on their health.
If one feels safer drip acclimating, they really should include dip ammonia sticks for rapid detection of ammonia and have a water neutralizer on hand if they decide to continue to drip.
Then there's also the issue of how long a fish actually takes to adapt to a changed environment. It actually can take days for a fish to adjust.... a 20 minute acclimate is just as quick of a dunk, for it's still insufficient time for them to adjust.