Consistently low PH - Is sandbed depth the cause?

gmann1139

Active Member
My 12g Nanocube has consistently had a low pH since I set it up. It averages out to 8.1 over the last year.
This is the only reason I have not yet gone reef with this tank, which is why I'm posting here. I've tried to figure this one out myself, but I've come up empty.
Other parameters are normal. Alk is low but ok at 2.5 mEq/L, ammonia and nitrite are 0 (of course), nitrate is <10, temp is 80 - 81, and sg is 1.026. My low pH is the only thing out of line.
I have noticed that in my other tanks, that I fill with the same mix of water, alk is 3.5, and pH is in the 8.2 - 8.5 range, which means its something peculiar to this tank. I use -- mixed with RO water, which is also used to fill a 30g DT and a 10g QT.
For filtration, I have the stock sponge and carbon, along with a pound or two of LR rubble in a bag. I replaced the stock PH with a MJ600, which I clean out monthly.
I also built a DIY fuge that I filled with chaeto, and have a 50/50 13W CF light shining on the 18 hours my tank lights aren't on. The chaeto has been in there 9 months, but I have never trimmed it.
I have had slow but steady coraline growth, and have allowed it to take over most of the LR as well as the back wall.
The only thing I can think of is that my SB is too deep. I just measured it, and it is 1.5" to 2" deep across the tank. The substrate is fairly coarse, but I only have 1 Giant Nass snail in there to stir it up.
Removing an inch of substrate is not a minor undertaking though, so before I go for it, I want to make sure that's a likely reason.
Other than the sandbed, any other ideas?
 

geoj

Active Member
"I also built a DIY fuge that I filled with chaeto, and have a 50/50 13W CF light shining on the 18 hours my tank lights aren't on. The chaeto has been in there 9 months, but I have never trimmed it."
The first thing I think is the respiration of the chaeto try moving it to a different tank.
I run my reef at 8.0-8.1 all the time don’t let the lower pH stop you from keeping corals.
 

gmann1139

Active Member
Well, I'm staring to take sand out, a few cups a week, to make sure that isn't the problem (and to make sure I don't spike the tank).
I also moved the chaeto to my other fuge, and started another thread on the fact it hasn't grown.
 

afboundguy

Member
I used to keep my tank around 8.1 until I had a battle with dino and now it's at 8.3-8.4 because I continue to drip kalk. I had no problems keeping corals when it was at 8.1. You alk being at 2.5 meq/l is a little low IMO. Try bumping it up to 3.5-4.5 meq/l
Also what is you calc and mag at? IMO that would be much more important input for adding coral than a 8.1 pH.
Also I have a 4-5" sandbed in my 55 gal and I doubt it's effects pH too much. I actually think it's better to have a deeper sandbed to help with denitrification. I just added 2-3" more to my parents tank and have noticed that the tank's nitrates have dropped a little... IMO I wouldn't take out any sand I'd add more (don't think it would do anything to the pH though)
 

gmann1139

Active Member
Haven't been testing calc in a while, haven't needed to, since there's no corals.
The tank is a 12g nano, and only 11" high. There's no way I'm putting a 5" sandbed in it.
 

natclanwy

Active Member
I don't think it is your sandbed that is causing the low PH, I would bet that it has more to do with the CO2 content in your tank. Try testing your PH then collect a water sample in a quart jar with a lid, take it outside and remove the lid and fan some air into the jar then replace the lid and shake the jar. Repeat this about three times then test the PH of the water in the jar.
If your PH is higher in the jar then you have an excess of CO2 in your tank.
 

afboundguy

Member
Originally Posted by gmann1139
http:///forum/post/2831500
The tank is a 12g nano, and only 11" high. There's no way I'm putting a 5" sandbed in it.
LOL I musta missed that part... 5" in that tank would be just a taaaaaaad too much. Also if it's a nano is it totally covered? If it's totally covered it's prob not getting a lot of oxygen exhange which could lead to a lower pH. you could try cracking the hood open a little or maybe putting a fan in there.
 

bang guy

Moderator
I also vote that 8.1 is fine.
Just be sure the top of the sandbed is getting plenty of waterflow. If it were me I would get rid of the bag of LR rubble.
 
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jeremye83

Guest
my ph was consistantly low as well. I then checked the ph of the RO water i was using and it was very low. Had to get a buffer to bump it up. I would check the ph of the freshwater coming from ur RO system and see where its at. You may have enough coral in the other tanks to counter it and dont notice it as much.
 

culp

Active Member
i was having a big ph problem for the first 5 months of my tank till i started using a different salt brand and it worked its seem out after two weeks.
 

tdog7879

Member
my ph is at 8.4 with the lights on then drops to 8.2-8.1 at night time. When are you checking you checking your ph?
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by Jeremye83
http:///forum/post/2840894
my ph was consistantly low as well. I then checked the ph of the RO water i was using and it was very low. Had to get a buffer to bump it up. I would check the ph of the freshwater coming from ur RO system and see where its at. You may have enough coral in the other tanks to counter it and dont notice it as much.

The PH of RO water is supposed to be close to 7.0. Adding a buffer to your RO water for topoff is only recommended when the ALK of your tank water is low.
Adding buffer to the water when making saltwater is never recommended.
 
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