Cooling fan solution

beckzilla

Member
This might or might not be a new idea for running cooling fans in you canopy but this is what I came up with. When i originally setup my canopy and fans i had both fans blowing air from the outside in and exhausting heat out of the cutouts in the back that acted like vents. Well, yesterday i was updating my fluorescent show lights ( T8's, 32 Watt, electronic ballast- nice lights) and decided to take out my fans ( 4 inch icecaps with thermostat control) and clean them. Then it hit me that i had wanted to change the direction of the fans at one time and see if the inside temp in the canopy changed. Well it did, considerably! Check out my attached diagram ( sorry for the poor drawing, i didnt have any crayons) and tell me what you think and if anybody else has experimented with this setup.
 

stuckinfla

Active Member
So you have two blowing in and two blowing out? Thats how I made my hood. Had them that way for almost 3 months now and still not hooked up to a power supply
Glad to hear they work!
 

coryherb

Member
logically (like we ever do things logically the first time) that makes more sense. You get a strong flow through the canopy the new way vs the two fans essentially pressurizing the air inside the canopy then flowing out. Seems new way would work better. Will have to remember that when setting up my canopy.
 

beckzilla

Member
Common sense is usually the best teacher. As my diagram shows changing the direction of my flow caused the internal canopy temperature to drop 20-25 degrees which is considerable and helps keep the tank temperature more stable. I might just for kicks try it with both fans blowing out and see what the temp does. If I do I will report on the results.
 

bang guy

Moderator
The temp of the air in the canopy doesn't really have all that much to do with how the fans are helping your water temp.
I'd suggest ignoring the canopy temp and see what works best for your water temp.
 

beckzilla

Member
Bang, I have never had a real problem with the main tank temperature. It stays steady at 80-81 degrees and it seemed to help when i raised it a couple of degrees from 78-80 per your suggestion. I was just relating that in theory if the temp in your canopy goes sky high then it might raise your main tank temp. Dont you agree?
 

bang guy

Moderator
It depends.
Air is not dense enough to transfer very much heat to water and hot air can hold more water vapor than cool air. If fans are circulating the air across the water then the hot air can actually cool the water better because it will evaporate the water more readily. Evaporation draws energy in the form of heat from the water. The fans work best when they are replacing the humid air right at the water surface with drier air.
Replacing the hot air in the canopy without forcing the humid air at the water surface away from the water surface will just keep your bulbs a little cooler. It won't cool your water.
On the other hand, if the air is hot because it's trapped in the canopy then it will quickly reach a high humidity level and not evaporate much water.
So, your new design may work better, or it may not work better. You need to follow the water temp to find out.
 

beckzilla

Member
So in your opinion which one of my 2 setups would cause more or less evaporation as I have noticed on the old setup loosing 2-3 gallons per day of evaporation and is that a good thing or a bad thing. Also am i safe to say that the cooler i keep the MH bulbs the better?
 

bang guy

Moderator
If you're evaporating more water then you're cooling the tank more. If you're overcooling the tank then you're just using your heaters more. Some hobbiests like to evaporate more water so they can drip more limewater. If you're not using limewater and you don't have a heat problem then I'd just turn off one of the fans and save electricity.
MH bulbs operate more efficiently when they're hot. Flourescents like PC and VHO lose efficiency when they get hot.
 

cbshark

Member
Bang, I have to disagree with you. The temps that beckzilla showed with his new setup are still plenty high for evaporation. Dropping the temp from 115 to 95 can only be an improvement. If the tank is in an open room with no walls near it, the 2 fans blowing in method would work fine as long as the back of the canopy is open. The problem he was experiencing is that with the tank against a wall and both fans blowing in he was expecting that the air would blow out the back while not even thinking that this was totally short circuiting his cooling system. What he was essentially creating was a regenerative heating system. The intake from the fans was not far enough away from the exhaust and was recirculating the warm air back into the canopy. Not only this, you have to take into account the dewpoint, wet and dry bulb temps in the house. As we all know, water evaporates quicker in the winter when the air is at its dryest and slower in summer when it is most wet. But without getting into the thermodynamics of his home, 95 degrees is plenty warm for efficient evaporation and anything above that is going transfer more heat to the water. Regardless of the difference in density between water and air, heat flows to the lower temperature sink. And the more heat you have above the water, the higher the water temp is going to be. The great thing about a wet/dry system is that it acts as a cooling tower. That is why I still use my wet/dry along with a fuge. Fuges are great but the only lower your tanks ability to dissipate its own heat. Wet/dry systems put more surface area in contact with the air for evaporation and heat removal. So not only is he helping with keeping his tank cool, he is reducing the risk of temp swings between day and night.
 

coryherb

Member
i just happened to read another thread that said one reason you don't want fans blowing out is that they are drawing heavy moisture through them causing them to burn out faster. I can't see that as being too huge a factor ..but a factor for you to consider.
 

beckzilla

Member
Thanks guys, it looks like I started a good discussion that warrants more opinions and thought. All I can say is that I am happy lowering the temp inside the canopy which can only help my overall setup in the long run.:yes:
 

bang guy

Moderator
CBSHARK - I agree with everything you said except for the air heating the water. Typically, the air in the canopy is not a significant heat source.
If your goal is to cool the air in the canopy then evacuating the air faster by blowing air in one side and out the other will probably do that very well.
If your goal is to cool the water then typically having all fans blowing across the water surface does that best.
If this is a case where the fans are sucking the warm humid air back into the canopy then your points should definately be taken into consideration. Normally the warm humid air is so light that it quickly rises but I can see what you're talking about.
 
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